Parameterization of x^(2/3)+y^(2/3)=a^(2/3)

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The problem involves parameterizing the curve defined by the equation x^(2/3) + y^(2/3) = a^(2/3) in a standard counterclockwise sense. Participants are exploring the implications of this parameterization and the characteristics of the curve.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various parameterizations, particularly using trigonometric functions. There is an attempt to express x and y in terms of cosine and sine raised to certain powers. Questions arise regarding the validity of these substitutions and the resulting nonreal answers for certain values of t.

Discussion Status

Some participants are providing hints and asking clarifying questions, while others express confusion about the relationships between the trigonometric identities and the parameterization. There is acknowledgment of the need for a correct approach to avoid nonreal results, and multiple interpretations of the parameterization are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the requirement for the parameterization to represent a connected curve and the need for t to cover a complete cycle from 0 to 2pi. There is also a discussion about the implications of raising terms to certain powers and the resulting effects on the parameterization.

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Homework Statement



Parametrize the curve x^(2/3) + y^(2/3) = a^(2/3) in the standard counterclockwise sense.

Homework Equations



x^(2/3) + y^(2/3) = a^(2/3)
Any trig identity... I was thinking cos(x)^2 + sin(x)^2 = 1


The Attempt at a Solution



Because it has to be parameterized in the standard counterclockwise sense, I know I have to use a cosine.

The shape of the graph is a diamond-like shape. (NOT a diamond, though.) At first I let

x = a(cos[t])^(3/2), so that
y = a(sin[t])^(3/2)

*if my substitutions and simplifications are correct... Maybe my problem lies in here?

My results are
t
x
y​

0
a
0
pi/2
0
a
pi
nonreal answer
0
3*pi /2
0
nonreal answer

Instead of the nonreal answers, it should be -a. Does anyone know how I can get around it?

Thank you in appreciation for your help, and I'd just like to say to the people that help everyone else, You guys are awesome. I've seen your answers before, and you're really helping a lot of people out! (Hopefully me!)
 
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What do you get on the right when you substitute x = a(cos[t])^(3/2) and y = a(sin[t])^(3/2) on the LHS?

And welcome to the forum. :)
 
When I substitute the x = a(cos[t])^(3/2) and y = a(sin[t])^(3/2) into the Left Hand Side of the equation, I get:

(a(cos[t])^(3/2))^(2/3) + (a(sin[t])^(3/2))^(2/3) = a^(2/3)
a^(2/3)(cos[t]) + a^(2/3)(sin[t]) = a^(2/3)
cos[t] + sin[t] = 1
or also
cos[t]^2 + sin[t]^2 = 1, which is the trigonometic identity, which proves that when x = a(cos[t])^(3/2) and y = a(sin[t]^(3/2) the equation is still correct.

I'm hoping if I keep typing, the answer will just come to me. So far, no good.
This doesn't change that I get nonreal answers when pi < t < 2pi.

cos[pi] = -1, but when it is raised to the power of (3/2), it becomes an unreal answer. By "unreal" I mean nonreal. I really appreciate the hint, but I don't think I got it. I'll keep working on it and hope you or someone else replies with another hint! :D Thank you! :!)
 
What else am I missing here? I've tried rearranging the equation, and I figure I have to raise everything to a power so that the cos[x] and sin[x] aren't raised to the power of (3/2). It has to be an even number power so that cos[pi] will remain -1. Any other hints?
 
how does cos[t] + sin[t] = 1 become cos[t]^2 + sin[t]^2 = 1 ??

"cos[t] + sin[t] = 1
or also
cos[t]^2 + sin[t]^2 = 1"

And is the curve:
x^(2/3) + y^(2/3) = a^(2/3)
meant to be one positive turn? i.e connected curve?

What values of x and y are allowed?
 
You WANT sin2 x+ cos2 x= 1 so you DON'T WANT that 1/2 power in x= (a sin x)3/2 and y= (a cos x)3/2!
 
" how does cos[t] + sin[t] = 1 become cos[t]^2 + sin[t]^2 = 1 ??

"cos[t] + sin[t] = 1
or also
cos[t]^2 + sin[t]^2 = 1""

It doesn't, ha ha ha. I've been working (thinking about) this question for the past 2 weeks, and I guess I just made up some trig identities. Wouldn't it be nice if cos[t] + sin[t] = 1?

And yes, the curve x^(2/3 + y^(2/3) = a^(2/3) is a connected curve, and to parameterize it, it is meant to go one complete cycle, t goes from 0 to 2pi.
 
Hey guys! I got it! I know it took me a while, and you guys were probably just rolling your eyes at me, but I GOT IT! Yaaaay! Hooray for me! Calculus on a Saturday night!

I just want to give my heartfelt thanks to you who have helped me. It means so much to me that you would reply so quickly to my post. :) :)
Enjoy the rest of your weekend!
 

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