Parametric equations for a line

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The discussion revolves around finding the parametric equations for a line and the equation for a tangent plane to a surface defined by the equation 25x² + 25y² + 4z² = 54 at the point P = (1, 1, 1). Participants explore the relationship between the surface, the normal vector, and the tangent plane.

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  • Participants discuss the need for a perpendicular vector to define the tangent plane and question how to derive this vector from the surface equation. There is exploration of the relationship between the coefficients of the surface equation and the normal vector. Some participants suggest using partial derivatives to find vectors parallel to the plane.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the normal vector and its relationship to the tangent plane. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of gradients and normal vectors, but multiple interpretations and approaches are still being explored.

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Participants express confusion about the reasoning behind the normal vector being derived from the coefficients of the surface equation and the implications of this in defining the tangent plane. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity on these concepts.

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considering the surface [tex]25x^2+25y^2+4z^2=54[/tex]

The parametric equation for a line going thought point P=(1,1,1) is

[tex]x=1+50t[/tex]
[tex]y=1+50t[/tex]
[tex]z=1+8t[/tex]

A plane an equation for the tangent plane through P.

Here's what I know:
the equation for a plane needs a perpendicular vector to the plane and a point on the plane. I have a point on the place P=(1,1,1) but how do I find the perpendicular vector? I have a line ON the plane, what can I do to get an equation that is perpendicular to the plane?
 
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Im struggling with these concepts as well.. but I think your perp. vector is <25,25,4>. Simply the coefficients of the surface equation.

I wonder why these coefficients is the perp. and I asked my teacher. All he could tell me was its a way to describe the plane. So I have no idea why the coefficients are the perp. vector, they simply are.
 
Commie, you can only say that when the equation is already actually a plane, which is not what his equation is. the reason for it is that given a point P on the plane and normal vector N, the plane is the set of points Q such that (Q - P).N = 0, or in other words the set of points Q such that the line between Q and P is perpendicular to the normal vector (makes sense?). The coefficients are then derived from Q.N: the coefficients of q1, q2, q3 are n1, n2, n3, which is just N.

Urban, you can find two vectors parallel to your plane--think partial derivatives. Now given two vectors, what operation can you do to get a vector perpendicular to those two vectors?
 
Here's the way I like to do it:
Define [itex]F(x,y,z)= 25x^2+25y^2+4z^2[/itex] so your surface is a level surface of F: F(x,y,z)= 54. The derivative of F in the direction of any unit vector, u is [itex]\nabla F\cdot v[/itex]. In particular, if u is a vector tangent to the level surface, since F does not change in that direction, [itex]\nabla F\cdot v= 0[/itex]. That is [itex]\nabla F[/itex], at a point, is perpendicular to any level surface of containing that point.

In this case, [itex]\nabla F= 50x i+ 50y j+ 8z[/itex], evaluated at (1, 1, 1) is [itex]\nabla F(1,1,1)= 50 i+ 50 j+ 8z[/itex]. Parametric equations for the normal line to the surface at that point (not just "a" line) are
x= 1+ 50t, y= 1+ 50t, z= 1+ 8t.

Since that vector must also be perpendicular to the tangent plane at that point, an equation for the tangent plane is 50(x-1)+ 50(y-1)+ 8(z-1)= 0 or 50x+ 50y+ 8z= 108.

I wonder why these coefficients is the perp. and I asked my teacher. All he could tell me was its a way to describe the plane. So I have no idea why the coefficients are the perp. vector, they simply are.
Commie, an equation of a plane containing the point (a, b, c) and having normal vector Ai+ Bj+ Ck is A(x- a)+ B(y- b)+ C(z- c)= 0. To see why, think of it as a dot product:
[tex]A(x- a)+ B(y- b)+ C(z- c)= (Ai+ Bj+ Ck)\cdot((x-a)i+ (y-b)j+ (z-c)k)[/tex].
Since (a,b,c) and (x,y,z) are both in the plane, the vector (x-a)i+ (y-b)j+ (z-c)k is in the plane. It's dot product, for any (x,y,z) in the plane, with Ai+ Bj+ Ck is 0 if and only if Ai+ Bj+ Ck is perpendicular to the plane.
 
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