Parametric Equations - Have solution, need clarification.

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The discussion revolves around finding parametric equations for the tangent line to a curve defined by parametric equations at a specified point. The subject area includes parametric equations and vector calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the parameter value and the corresponding point on the curve, particularly questioning why t=pi/2 corresponds to the point (0,1,pi/2). There is also an exploration of how to find the correct parameter value for a different set of parametric equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on calculating the parameter value that matches a given point, while others are exploring the implications of having multiple parameter values that yield the same point. The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of parametric equations and the independence of the parameter t from the coordinates x, y, and z. There is a focus on ensuring that the chosen parameter satisfies all components of the parametric equations simultaneously.

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Homework Statement


Find parametric equations for the tangent line to the curve with the given parametric equations at the specified point.

x = 2cos(t)
y = sin(t)
z = t

At the point (0,1,pi/2)

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



r(t) = <2cos(t),sin(t),t>
r'(t) = <-2sin(t),cos(t),1>

The parameter value corresponding to the point (0,1,pi/2) is t=pi/2, so the tangent vector there is r'(pi/2) = <-2,0,1>. The tangent line through (0,1,pi/2) parallel to the vector <-2,0,1>, so its parametric equations are:

x=-2t
y=1
z = (pi/2)+t

I know this is correct, but the part in bold is what I do not understand. Why does the value of t=pi/2 correspond to the point (0,1,pi/2)?
 
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tangibleLime said:

Homework Statement


Find parametric equations for the tangent line to the curve with the given parametric equations at the specified point.

x = 2cos(t)
y = sin(t)
z = t

At the point (0,1,pi/2)

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



r(t) = <2cos(t),sin(t),t>
r'(t) = <-2sin(t),cos(t),1>

The parameter value corresponding to the point (0,1,pi/2) is t=pi/2, so the tangent vector there is r'(pi/2) = <-2,0,1>. The tangent line through (0,1,pi/2) parallel to the vector <-2,0,1>, so its parametric equations are:

x=-2t
y=1
z = (pi/2)+t

I know this is correct, but the part in bold is what I do not understand. Why does the value of t=pi/2 correspond to the point (0,1,pi/2)?

What happens if you calculate r(pi/2) in r(t) = <2cos(t),sin(t),t>? Would any other value of t work in the 3rd component?
 
Ooh okay, makes sense. Need to just find the component that makes r(t) equal the given point. Thanks!
 
Actually no, that doesn't work for my problem.

(Now I'm doing the actual question I have to solve instead of the book example)

Find parametric equations for the tangent line to the curve with the given parametric equations at the specified point.

x = 1+2sqrt(t)
y = t^4 + t
z = t^4 - t

(3,2,0)

I have r(t) = <1+2sqrt(t),t^4 + t,t^4 - t>, but no point (3, 2 or 0) will make this vector (3, 2, 0). What am I doing wrong?
 
Have you tried t=1?
 
Oh, so I can pick ANY number that makes r(t) equal to the given point?
 
well, yeah. Although if you have multiple t that make r(t) fit the point, you've got a pretty cool function.
 
In parametric equations, x= f(t), y= g(t), z= h(t), the parameter, t, is not necessarily equal to any of x, y, or z. It is a completely different parameter.


Sometimes, back in two dimensions, if we have, say y= f(x), we use x itself as parameter. That may have confused you.

Here, you want (1+2\sqrt(t),t^4 + t,t^4 - t)= (3, 2, 0) so we must have 1+ 2\sqrt{t}= 3, t^4+ t= 2, and t^4- t= 0 all for the same t. We could, for example, solve t^4- t= t(t^3- 1)= t(t- 1)(t^2+ t+ 1)= 0 to see that t must be 0 or 1. t= 0 does not satisfy either 1+ 2\sqrt{t}= 3 nor t^4+ t= 2 but t= 1 does.
 

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