Partial Derivation to calculate percentage relative uncertainty. Please help

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The discussion focuses on calculating the percentage relative uncertainty in a right triangle using the Pythagorean theorem and the law of cosines. The triangle has legs x = 119ft and y = 120ft, both with a 1% relative uncertainty. The correct approach involves recognizing that the uncertainties dx and dy are derived from the percentage relative uncertainties, specifically dx = 0.01 * x and dy = 0.01 * y. The user is guided to use implicit differentiation to find dz and subsequently dθ, clarifying the differentiation process for accurate results.

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Hello.

I've encountered a problem when trying to attack this problem:

A right triangle has sides of length x, y and z. Measurements show that legs x and y have lengths of 119ft and 120ft, respectively. The percentage relative uncertainty in each measurement is 1%. For x, this means that 100 * dx / x = 1. (That 1 would be reported as 1%)

A)Use the pythagorean theorem to calculate the percentage relative uncertainty in z

B)Use the law of cosines and your result from part a to calculate the percentage relative uncertainty in the right angle.

So for part A, z = (x^2 + y^2)^.5

therefore,

dz = (.5(2x)^-.5)dx + (.5(2y)^-.5)dy

if I simply substitute the values in for x, dx, y and dy I get a bizarre answer for the percentage relative unceratainty, and 100*dz/z should be 1. Where am I going wrong with this problem?

and for part B)

z^2 = x^2 + y^2 - 2xycos(theta)

so the partial derivation would be

2z = -2xy(-sin(theta) * curlyd(theta)/curlydz)

but I am completely stuck where to go from here.

A help will be greatly appriciated!
 
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l46kok said:
Hello.

I've encountered a problem when trying to attack this problem:

A right triangle has sides of length x, y and z. Measurements show that legs x and y have lengths of 119ft and 120ft, respectively. The percentage relative uncertainty in each measurement is 1%. For x, this means that 100 * dx / x = 1. (That 1 would be reported as 1%)

A)Use the pythagorean theorem to calculate the percentage relative uncertainty in z

B)Use the law of cosines and your result from part a to calculate the percentage relative uncertainty in the right angle.

So for part A, z = (x^2 + y^2)^.5

therefore,

dz = (.5(2x)^-.5)dx + (.5(2y)^-.5)dy

if I simply substitute the values in for x, dx, y and dy I get a bizarre answer for the percentage relative unceratainty, and 100*dz/z should be 1. Where am I going wrong with this problem?
Why should 100*dz/z be 1? That's what you are asked to find. Also notice that dx and dy are the actual "uncertainties", not the "percentage relative" but you are given "percentage relative" uncertainties when you are told 1%. That is what is meant by 100 dx/x= 1. dx= 0.1(x) and dy= 0.1(y). Finally, you are differentiating wrong there should be a factor of (x^2+ y^2)^{-0.5}. It's simpler to use implicit differentiation: if x^2+ y^2= z^2, then 2x= 2z\frac{\partial z}{\partial x} so that \frac{\partial z}{\partial x}= \frac{x}{z}.
Of course, \frac{\partial z}{\partial y}= \frac{y}{z} so that
dz= \frac{x}{z}dx+ \frac{y}{z}dy.

and for part B)

z^2 = x^2 + y^2 - 2xycos(theta)

so the partial derivation would be

2z = -2xy(-sin(theta) * curlyd(theta)/curlydz)

but I am completely stuck where to go from here.

A help will be greatly appriciated!
Why are you using only the derivative with respect to z?
0= 2x- 2ycos(\theta)+ 2xy sin(\theta)\frac{\partial \theta}{\partial x} so
\frac{\partial \theta}{\partial x}= \frac{2x- 2y cos(\theta)}{2xy sin(\theta)}
\frac{\partial \theta}{\partial y}= \frac{2y- 2x cos(\theta)}{2xy sin(\theta)}
\frac{\partial \theta}{\partial z}= \frac{2z}{-2xy sin(\theta)}

Then
d\theta= \frac{\partial \theta}{\partial x}dx+ \frac{\partial \theta}{\partial y}dy+ \frac{\partial \theta}{\partial z}dz
 
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can you please help me ...i have to find the absolute error using the derivate .Does anyone knows the formula?
 

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