Particle/dipole acceleration in non-uniform magnetic field

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Dipoles and charged particles can indeed accelerate in non-uniform magnetic fields, as described by the Lorentz force law, which states that a charged particle experiences a force when its velocity is not parallel to the magnetic field. The discussion clarifies that while the magnetic force is always perpendicular to the velocity, it can still result in acceleration, specifically centripetal acceleration, without changing the particle's speed. In the context of the Stern-Gerlach experiment, a non-uniform magnetic field is essential for deflecting magnetic dipoles, as a uniform field would not create a force due to the absence of a gradient. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of non-uniform magnetic fields in controlling particle paths and the nuances of acceleration in magnetic contexts.
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I've come across a few places that mention that dipoles and charged particles accelerate in non-uniform magnetic fields. Is this true? If the Magnetic force is always perpendicular to the velocity of a charge, I don't see why it would accelerate. I see it having centripetal acceleration with constant kinetic energy unless the centripetal acceleration is all that's needed for the charge to emit a photon. I also don't see a dipole would accelerate in a non-uniform magnetic field.
 
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A charged particle with some non-zero velocity will accelerate in any magnetic field as per the Lorentz force law, given that the velocity and magnetic field are not parallel. Simple as that.

As for magnetic dipoles, if we have an infinitesimal current loop with magnetic dipole moment ##\vec{m}## in a magnetic field ##\vec{B}## then it can be shown that it experiences a force ##\vec{F} = \vec{\nabla}(\vec{m}\cdot \vec{B})##. See problem 6.4 in Griffiths.
 
WannabeNewton said:
A charged particle with some non-zero velocity will accelerate in any magnetic field as per the Lorentz force law, given that the velocity and magnetic field are not parallel. Simple as that..

Except the Lorentz force law says that the magnetic force is \mathbf{F_{magnetic}} = q (\mathbf{v} \times \mathbf{B}) so the force is perpendicular and therefore no acceleration, unless you're simply referring to centripetal acceleration.

WannabeNewton said:
As for magnetic dipoles, if we have an infinitesimal current loop with magnetic dipole moment ##\vec{m}## in a magnetic field ##\vec{B}## then it can be shown that it experiences a force ##\vec{F} = \vec{\nabla}(\vec{m}\cdot \vec{B})##. See problem 6.4 in Griffiths.

I will check Griffiths. Also, what then is the advantage of a non-uniform magnetic field in particle accelerators or like that used in the Stern-Gerlach experiment? Simply to control the path better?
 
phy_infinite said:
Except the Lorentz force law says that the magnetic force is \mathbf{F_{magnetic}} = q (\mathbf{v} \times \mathbf{B}) so the force is perpendicular and therefore no acceleration, unless you're simply referring to centripetal acceleration.

The force being perpendicular to the velocity doesn't imply that there is no acceleration. A force always imparts an acceleration as per Newton's 2nd law. What makes you think centripetal acceleration is not an acceleration?

phy_infinite said:
I will check Griffiths. Also, what then is the advantage of a non-uniform magnetic field in particle accelerators or like that used in the Stern-Gerlach experiment? Simply to control the path better?

Well in the Stern-Gerlach experiment we need a non-uniform magnetic field in order for an interacting magnetic dipole to get deflected in a way that distinguishes between different dipole moments. Classically this goes back to that equation I wrote above: ##\vec{F} = \vec{\nabla}(\vec{m}\cdot \vec{B})## specialized to a constant dipole moment. See section 1.1 of Sakurai's QM text.
 
WannabeNewton said:
The force being perpendicular to the velocity doesn't imply that there is no acceleration. A force always imparts an acceleration as per Newton's 2nd law. What makes you think centripetal acceleration is not an acceleration?

I don't think my original question was asked well and I did imply that centripetal acceleration isn't acceleration. What I meant was that I wasn't sure if it was the magnitude of the velocity that changed since that's the most common context I've heard it in. OK, so yes there is an acceleration, just no change in speed.


WannabeNewton said:
Well in the Stern-Gerlach experiment we need a non-uniform magnetic field in order for an interacting magnetic dipole to get deflected. Classically this goes back to that equation I wrote above: ##\vec{F} = \vec{\nabla}(\vec{m}\cdot \vec{B})## specialized to a constant dipole moment. See section 1.1 of Sakurai.

Unfortunately, I don't have Sakurai. Although, if the force on the dipole is \vec{F} = \vec{\nabla}(\vec{m}\cdot \vec{B}) then it seems the dipole would be deflected whether the magnetic field was uniform or not.
 
phy_infinite said:
Unfortunately, I don't have Sakurai. Although, if the force on the dipole is \vec{F} = \vec{\nabla}(\vec{m}\cdot \vec{B}) then it seems the dipole would be deflected whether the magnetic field was uniform or not.

If the magnetic field is uniform then the gradient will vanish and there won't be a force.
 
WannabeNewton said:
If the magnetic field is uniform then the gradient will vanish and there won't be a force.

Oh of course, thanks for helping me clear that up.
 
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