Particle in a box question in classical mechaincs

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The discussion revolves around a classical mechanics problem involving a particle in a box scenario, particularly focusing on the relationship between energy levels and momentum. Participants are examining concepts related to potential energy barriers and the implications of energy values on particle behavior within defined regions.

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  • Participants express confusion regarding the implications of energy values being less than or greater than a potential energy barrier (Δ) and how this affects the particle's momentum. There are attempts to reconcile the physical movement of the particle with the mathematical equations presented in lectures.

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Some participants are actively sharing their interpretations and diagrams to clarify their understanding. There is a recognition of the complexity of the topic, with various interpretations being explored without a clear consensus. Guidance has been offered regarding the conditions under which the particle can exist in different regions.

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Participants are working with constraints related to the definitions of potential energy in different intervals and the implications of infinite potential walls. There is also mention of the challenge in visualizing the particle's movement across energy barriers.

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Hi guys, I am having an issue with what my lecture is saying in these slides, I have attched my slides below.
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Here is my issue. I am very confused by the ##E<\Delta ## Beacuse I can't see how this has any momentum as it would produce an imagery number. And ye say that ##E<\Delta ## cannot be a solution yet on these diagrams he show the particle has momentum, at E=0 which can't be correct. I know I have this back to front, because he also mentions that at ##E>\Delta ## that is has less momentum than but I just can't see how, could someone please explain to me what my lecture is conveying here.
 

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Taylor_1989 said:
Here is my issue. I am very confused by the ##E<\Delta ## Beacuse I can't see how this has any momentum as it would produce an imagery number. And ye say that ##E<\Delta ## cannot be a solution yet on these diagrams he show the particle has momentum, at E=0 which can't be correct. I know I have this back to front, because he also mentions that at ##E>\Delta ## that is has less momentum than but I just can't see how, could someone please explain to me what my lecture is conveying here.
If E<Δ the particle is confined in one of the boxes, where the potential is zero.
 
This is confusing, if I look at the equation it tell me that momentum dose not exist it imaginary. I can't seem to think how this particle is moving inside the box.

I mean if I look over this again he states that at 0 poteinal the particle is in the right of left box, so the particle as I see it is moving to the left and right at the bottom of one of the boxes. But how if E=0 the ##P=\sqrt(2m(E-\Delta))## then the solution give an imaginary value so tho I can see it physically I can see how it is relating to the equation.

Is there a link to either a website or video that will help me understand this concept?

Also where is this energy barrier I can't see how this particle is moving from box to to box
 
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Okay so I have been thinking about this a bit more. I have attched photos of my workings, and tryed to explain best to what I think is going on, I know normally it not great to post photo but I couldn’t draw a decent enough diagram to convey what I was thinking.

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Taylor_1989 said:
This is confusing, if I look at the equation it tell me that momentum dose not exist it imaginary. I can't seem to think how this particle is moving inside the box.

I mean if I look over this again he states that at 0 poteinal the particle is in the right of left box, so the particle as I see it is moving to the left and right at the bottom of one of the boxes. But how if E=0 the ##P=\sqrt(2m(E-\Delta))## then the solution give an imaginary value so tho I can see it physically I can see how it is relating to the equation.

Remember, the equation is p2/2m +V(x) =E
There are walls of infinite high at x1 and x4. There is a barrier between x2 and x3. The function is defined between x1 and x2, outside it is infinite.

x1<x ≤ x2 V(x) = 0
x2 <x ≤ x3 V(x) = Δ
x3 < x ≤ x4 V(x) = 0

If E < Δ the particle can not exist in the interval x2 <x ≤ x3. It is confined "inside" one of the boxes, either between x1 and x2 or between x3 and x4.

Taylor_1989 said:
Also where is this energy barrier I can't see how this particle is moving from box to to box
If E ≥ Δ the particle can exist in the whole interval x1 <x ≤ x4, only its kinetic energy changes above the barrier. It is not "inside" any boxes
 
Taylor_1989 said:
Okay so I have been thinking about this a bit more. I have attched photos of my workings, and tryed to explain best to what I think is going on, I know normally it not great to post photo but I couldn’t draw a decent enough diagram to convey what I was thinking.

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The drawing is right, but I can not read your handwriting.
 
ehild said:
The drawing is right, but I can not read your handwriting.
Sorry, from your pervious comment, and a couple more hours, I realized what was going on. Thank you for the advice.
 

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