Particle Lifetime in Gravity: Experimental Evidence?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between particle lifetimes and gravitational fields, particularly whether particle lifetimes increase in stronger gravitational areas as suggested by relativity. Participants explore the existence of experimental evidence for this phenomenon and related concepts such as gravitational length contraction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that particle lifetimes may increase in stronger gravitational fields, referencing relativity as a basis for this idea.
  • One participant mentions that the muon decay time has been observed to extend, but attributes this to special relativity rather than gravitational time dilation.
  • Another participant notes the lack of experimental evidence specifically showing different particle lifetimes in varying gravitational potentials, while acknowledging experiments like the Pound-Rebka experiment that demonstrate gravitational time dilation.
  • A question is raised about the concept of gravitational length contraction and whether it has been tested or is a well-defined term.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the definition and implications of gravitational length contraction, suggesting that a clear definition is necessary before exploring its predictions and potential experiments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence of experimental evidence for changes in particle lifetimes due to gravity, and there is disagreement regarding the validity and definition of gravitational length contraction.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clear definitions and rigorous experimental proposals regarding gravitational length contraction, indicating that the discussion is limited by the ambiguity of terms and concepts.

Xilor
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Hello, I was wondering if the particle lifetimes as measured by observers increases in gravitational heavier areas. Relativity seems to suggest this, and there seems to be little criticism of this concept but I couldn't find any experimental evidence supporting this. Has this ever been shown? Or are the differences simply too small?
 
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Xilor said:
Hello, I was wondering if the particle lifetimes as measured by observers increases in gravitational heavier areas. Relativity seems to suggest this, and there seems to be little criticism of this concept but I couldn't find any experimental evidence supporting this. Has this ever been shown? Or are the differences simply too small?


It has been shown with the muon, which at rest has a decay time of a little over two microseconds. This was extended by a large factor, four or something like that.
 


PatrickPowers said:
It has been shown with the muon, which at rest has a decay time of a little over two microseconds. This was extended by a large factor, four or something like that.

As far as I'm aware this has only been concluded based on the difference in time dillations from special relativity between moving muons and muons at rest. Not a difference due to gravitational time dilation as predicted by general relativity.
 


I don't remember reading of any experiments that show different particle lifetimes in different gravitational potentials, but there are experiments that show gravitational time dilation by other means, e.g. the classic Pound-Rebka experiment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound–Rebka_experiment
 


Alright, thank you. What about gravitational length contraction? Has that been tested directly somehow? Or has it just been derived from c being the same for observers within different areas of gravitational potential?
 


I don't think that gravitational length contraction is even a well-defined or commonly-accepted term.
 


DaleSpam said:
I don't think that gravitational length contraction is even a well-defined or commonly-accepted term.

Well that would then explain why that never made made too much sense to me.. Is there anything that can be said about it, what it actually means and if it's predicted? I assumed it would be some side effect of the warping of spacetime, as warps occur increasing the lengths of paths, so would apparent lengths of objects contract because their sizes as compared to distances within the area are smaller.
 


Xilor said:
Is there anything that can be said about it, what it actually means and if it's predicted?
Well, what it actually means (or in other words, a definition of gravitational length contraction) would have to be the first step. Once it was defined clearly then you could check if it were predicted and propose experiments to test it. I don't know of any rigorous definition.
 

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