Particle Movement: Velocity and Acceleration Analysis

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The problem involves analyzing the motion of a particle described by the equation s=108t-t^4, focusing on determining the time intervals during which the particle's velocity is positive and its acceleration is negative.

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of velocity and acceleration from the position function, with attempts to find critical points where these quantities change sign.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about their algebraic manipulations and the implications of their findings on the motion of the particle.
  • Questions arise regarding the reasoning behind the signs of acceleration and velocity at specific time intervals.

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The discussion includes various attempts to clarify algebraic steps and reasoning about the motion of the particle. Some participants provide feedback on errors and suggest revisiting algebraic principles. Multiple interpretations of the acceleration's behavior are being explored, indicating an ongoing inquiry into the problem.

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Participants note the importance of careful algebraic manipulation and the implications of negative time values in the context of the problem. There is a recognition of the need to avoid unrealistic solutions in the physical context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A particle moves so that s=108t-t^4, commencing at time t=0 seconds.
a) during what time interval is its velocity positive?
b) during what time interval is its acceleration negative?

Homework Equations


t=0

The Attempt at a Solution


So far, to get velocity (s') I took derivative of above equation, giving me v=108-4t^3
Next, letting v=0 would give me maximum height of particle.
0=108-4t^3
t^3=108/-4
t^3=27
t=3

And so at T=3, velocity is 0, and at t<3, velocity is positive.

Right so far?

Next step, determine when acceleration is negative. First though, can I reason without using any more math that acceleration is negative when t<3? It seems like it would be, at least in a normal ball projectory question, the ball as it approaches it's max height (in this case t=3) it decreases speed at an increasing rate, which is negative acceleration, and when t>3, it is positive acceleration again.

In any case, determining acceleration I took derivative of velocity equation (s')
108-4t^3 ----> -12t^2
Let acceleration = 0
0=-12t^2
12=t^2
3.464=t

So when t<3.464, acceleration is negative, and when t>3.464, acceleration is positive.

My answer for B) doesn't feel right, so I welcome feedback, in fact I really appreciate feedback.

Regards all
 
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cptstubing said:

Homework Statement


A particle moves so that s=108t-t^4, commencing at time t=0 seconds.
a) during what time interval is its velocity positive?
b) during what time interval is its acceleration negative?

Homework Equations


t=0

The Attempt at a Solution


So far, to get velocity (s') I took derivative of above equation, giving me v=108-4t^3
Next, letting v=0 would give me maximum height of particle.
0=108-4t^3
t^3=108/-4
t^3=27
t=3

And so at T=3, velocity is 0, and at t<3, velocity is positive.

Right so far?
Right so far.
Next step, determine when acceleration is negative. First though, can I reason without using any more math that acceleration is negative when t<3? It seems like it would be, at least in a normal ball projectory question, the ball as it approaches it's max height (in this case t=3) it decreases speed at an increasing rate, which is negative acceleration, and when t>3, it is positive acceleration again.

In any case, determining acceleration I took derivative of velocity equation (s')
108-4t^3 ----> -12t^2
Let acceleration = 0
0=-12t^2
12=t^2
3.464=t

So when t<3.464, acceleration is negative, and when t>3.464, acceleration is positive.
Wrong.

Is t2 ever negative?

Then is -12 t2 ever positive?

Check your algebra.
0 = -12t2 does not give 12 = t2 .

My answer for B) doesn't feel right, so I welcome feedback, in fact I really appreciate feedback.

Regards all
 
SammyS said:
Right so far.

Wrong.

Is t2 ever negative?

Then is -12 t2 ever positive?

Check your algebra.
0 = -12t2 does not give 12 = t2 .

Would I take -12t^2 and say:
-12t * (t) = 0

-12t=0 ---> t=0
The whole thing equals zero?
 
cptstubing said:

Homework Statement


A particle moves so that s=108t-t^4, commencing at time t=0 seconds.
a) during what time interval is its velocity positive?
b) during what time interval is its acceleration negative?

Homework Equations


t=0

The Attempt at a Solution


So far, to get velocity (s') I took derivative of above equation, giving me v=108-4t^3
Next, letting v=0 would give me maximum height of particle.
0=108-4t^3
t^3=108/-4
t^3=27
t=3
When you move a number (108) to the opposite side of the = sign, what must you also do?

You've got to be careful. Silly mistakes can lead to wrong answers.
 
SteamKing said:
When you move a number (108) to the opposite side of the = sign, what must you also do?

You've got to be careful. Silly mistakes can lead to wrong answers.

Correct. This works better.
0=108-4t3
-108=-4t3
-108/4=t3
-3=t
Thank you.
 
cptstubing said:
Correct. This works better.
0=108-4t3
-108=-4t3
-108/4=t3
-3=t
Thank you.
No, you're still making silly mistakes with your algebra.

Take the equation:
108 - 4t3 = 0

In order to get an expression containing t on one side, we subtract 108 from both sides of the equation:

108 - 108 - 4t3 = 0 - 108

which leaves

-4t3 = -108

In order to clear the factor of -4 from the LHS, divide both sides of the equation by -4, thus:

-4t3 / -4 = -108 / -4 or

t3 = 27

solving for t by taking the cube root of both sides:

[t3]1/3 = 271/3

therefore, t = 3

In general, unless there are some unusual circumstances, a negative value of t is to be rejected as unrealistic.

You should refresh yourself on basic algebra and arithmetic.
 
SteamKing said:
No, you're still making silly mistakes with your algebra.

Take the equation:
108 - 4t3 = 0

In order to get an expression containing t on one side, we subtract 108 from both sides of the equation:

108 - 108 - 4t3 = 0 - 108

which leaves

-4t3 = -108

In order to clear the factor of -4 from the LHS, divide both sides of the equation by -4, thus:

-4t3 / -4 = -108 / -4 or

t3 = 27

solving for t by taking the cube root of both sides:

[t3]1/3 = 271/3

therefore, t = 3

In general, unless there are some unusual circumstances, a negative value of t is to be rejected as unrealistic.

You should refresh yourself on basic algebra and arithmetic.

Yes I should.
Thanks again.
 

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