Velocity/acceleration using derivatives (answer check)

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The discussion revolves around an object moving along a linear path described by the equation s(t) = 4t^3 - 3t^2 + 5, with time t in seconds and position s(t) in meters. Participants are exploring various aspects of the object's motion, including its speed, position when it stops, distance traveled when acceleration is zero, and direction of movement at a specific time.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants attempt to find the object's speed at t = 4 seconds by substituting into the position equation, but question whether this gives the correct interpretation of speed. They also explore the position when the object stops moving by using the first derivative and setting it to zero, leading to discussions about the implications of instantaneous rest. The second derivative is used to find when acceleration is zero, prompting questions about the distance traveled. Finally, participants analyze the object's direction at t = 3 seconds based on the sign of the velocity.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of position versus speed, and there is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the calculated values. Multiple interpretations of the results are being considered, particularly regarding the object's motion and the meaning of stopping.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There are also discussions about potential typos and clarifications needed regarding the calculations and interpretations of results.

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Homework Statement



An object is traveling along a linear path according to the equation
s(t) = 4t^3 - 3t^2 + 5 where t is measured in seconds and s(t) measured in meters.

1. How fast is the object moving at t = 4 seconds?

2. What is the position of the object when it stops moving?

3. How far has the object traveled when its acceleration is zero?

4. Is the object moving towards or away from the origin at t = 3 seconds?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



1. How fast is the object moving at t = 4 seconds?

Over here, I substituted the value of t=4 into the original equation, s(t)

s(4) = 4(4)^3 - 3(4)^2 + 5
=213

so 213 m/s? is this correct?


2. What is the position of the object when it stops moving?

For this, I took the first derivative, and let it equal to 0:

s(t) = 4t^3 - 3t^2 + 5
s' (t)=(4)(3) t^(3-1)-(3)(2) t^(2-1)+0
s' (t)=12t^2-6t

12t^2-6t=0
t= 0 or 1/2

so it stops moving after 0.5 seconds? is this correct?


3. How far has the object traveled when its acceleration is zero?

For this, I took the second derivative, and made it equal to 0:

s' (t)=12t^2-6t
s'' (t)=24t-6

24t-6 = 0

t = 0.25 or 1/4

Acceleration is zero at 0.25 seconds

Now I substitute the value of t=0.25 into the original equation s(t):

s(t) = 4t^3 - 3t^2 + 5
s(0.25) = 0.0625- 0.1875 + 5
= 4.875.

So, the object has traveled 4.25 m when its acceleration is zero? is this correct

4. Is the object moving towards or away from the origin at t = 3 seconds?

This was very confusing.

I substituted the value of t = 3 into both the original equation, and the first derivative(velocity):

s(t) = 4t^3 - 3t^2 + 5
s(3) = 108 - 27 + 5
= 86

s' (t)=12t^2-6t
s' (3)=108-18
=90

Because both the values of the speed, and the velocity are positive, the object is moving away from the origin? is this correct?

I would really appreciate it if some one could take a look over my working, and point out any mistakes.

Thank you :smile:
 
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spoc21 said:

Homework Statement



An object is traveling along a linear path according to the equation
s(t) = 4t^3 - 3t^2 + 5 where t is measured in seconds and s(t) measured in meters.

1. How fast is the object moving at t = 4 seconds?

2. What is the position of the object when it stops moving?

3. How far has the object traveled when its acceleration is zero?

4. Is the object moving towards or away from the origin at t = 3 seconds?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



1. How fast is the object moving at t = 4 seconds?

Over here, I substituted the value of t=4 into the original equation, s(t)

s(4) = 4(4)^3 - 3(4)^2 + 5
=213

so 213 m/s? is this correct?
s(4) = 213 represents where the object is, not how fast it is going. The units are in meters.
spoc21 said:
2. What is the position of the object when it stops moving?

For this, I took the first derivative, and let it equal to 0:

s(t) = 4t^3 - 3t^2 + 5
s' (t)=(4)(3) t^(3-1)-(3)(2) t^(2-1)+0
s' (t)=12t^2-6t

12t^2-6t=0
t= 0 or 1/2

so it stops moving after 0.5 seconds? is this correct?
Assuming it started moving at t = 0 sec. and stopped moving at t = .5, the question asks for the position of the object when it stops moving.
spoc21 said:
3. How far has the object traveled when its acceleration is zero?

For this, I took the second derivative, and made it equal to 0:

s' (t)=12t^2-6t
s'' (t)=24t-6

24t-6 = 0

t = 0.25 or 1/4

Acceleration is zero at 0.25 seconds

Now I substitute the value of t=0.25 into the original equation s(t):

s(t) = 4t^3 - 3t^2 + 5
s(0.25) = 0.0625- 0.1875 + 5
= 4.875.

So, the object has traveled 4.25 m when its acceleration is zero? is this correct
How did you get 4.25 m?
spoc21 said:
4. Is the object moving towards or away from the origin at t = 3 seconds?

This was very confusing.

I substituted the value of t = 3 into both the original equation, and the first derivative(velocity):

s(t) = 4t^3 - 3t^2 + 5
s(3) = 108 - 27 + 5
= 86

s' (t)=12t^2-6t
s' (3)=108-18
=90

Because both the values of the speed, and the velocity are positive, the object is moving away from the origin? is this correct?
Since s'(3) = v(3) > 0, the object is moving away from the origin. If you graph the derivative you will see that at some times, the object is moving toward the origin.
spoc21 said:
I would really appreciate it if some one could take a look over my working, and point out any mistakes.

Thank you :smile:
 
spoc21 said:

Homework Statement



An object is traveling along a linear path according to the equation
s(t) = 4t^3 - 3t^2 + 5 where t is measured in seconds and s(t) measured in meters.

1. How fast is the object moving at t = 4 seconds?

2. What is the position of the object when it stops moving?

3. How far has the object traveled when its acceleration is zero?

4. Is the object moving towards or away from the origin at t = 3 seconds?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



1. How fast is the object moving at t = 4 seconds?

Over here, I substituted the value of t=4 into the original equation, s(t)

s(4) = 4(4)^3 - 3(4)^2 + 5
=213

so 213 m/s? is this correct?

No. s(4) is the position in meters of the particle when t = 4. It tells you where it it, not how fast it is moving.

2. What is the position of the object when it stops moving?

For this, I took the first derivative, and let it equal to 0:

s(t) = 4t^3 - 3t^2 + 5
s' (t)=(4)(3) t^(3-1)-(3)(2) t^(2-1)+0
s' (t)=12t^2-6t

12t^2-6t=0
t= 0 or 1/2

so it stops moving after 0.5 seconds? is this correct?

At times t = 0 and 1/2 the object is instantaneously at rest. I wouldn't say it "stops moving". That would imply to me that it stays in that spot thereafter, which it doesn't. Maybe it is just momentarily reversing direction.

3. How far has the object traveled when its acceleration is zero?

For this, I took the second derivative, and made it equal to 0:

s' (t)=12t^2-6t
s'' (t)=24t-6

24t-6 = 0

t = 0.25 or 1/4

Acceleration is zero at 0.25 seconds

Now I substitute the value of t=0.25 into the original equation s(t):

s(t) = 4t^3 - 3t^2 + 5
s(0.25) = 0.0625- 0.1875 + 5
= 4.875.

So, the object has traveled 4.25 m when its acceleration is zero? is this correct

That just gives the position at t = 1/4. Where was it when t = 0? Is the distance traveled the difference between s(1/4) and s(0) or maybe did the object reverse direction? You need to check these things.
4. Is the object moving towards or away from the origin at t = 3 seconds?

This was very confusing.

I substituted the value of t = 3 into both the original equation, and the first derivative(velocity):

s(t) = 4t^3 - 3t^2 + 5
s(3) = 108 - 27 + 5
= 86

s' (t)=12t^2-6t
s' (3)=108-18
=90

Because both the values of the speed, and the velocity are positive, the object is moving away from the origin? is this correct?

That part looks correct.
 
Mark44 said:
s(4) = 213 represents where the object is, not how fast it is going. The units are in meters.

ok, how could I find the speed..would I need to divide it by 4s?

Mark44 said:
Assuming it started moving at t = 0 sec. and stopped moving at t = .5, the question asks for the position of the object when it stops moving.
How did you get 4.25 m?

yes, that's a typo. is the answer 4.875 correct?

Mark44 said:
Since s'(3) = v(3) > 0, the object is moving away from the origin. If you graph the derivative you will see that at some times, the object is moving toward the origin.

But is my assumption correct? should I just put down that the object is moving away from the origin at t= 3?


Thanks!
 
1. You have a formula for the velocity. Use it to find v(4). Divide by 4s? I don't get what you mean by that at all.
2. Yes, although as LCKurtz pointed out, the object stops only momentarily.
3. Yes. Since the velocity (which is different from speed) is positive at t = 3, the object is moving away from the origin. Don't say just that it's moving away from the origin. It's probably best to give justification for your statement.
 

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