Particle on an inclined plane formula proof.

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving forces acting on a mass on an inclined plane. The original poster seeks to establish a relationship between a force F, and two masses M and m, under conditions of equilibrium, while ensuring the relationship is independent of the angle of inclination.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss resolving forces into components, both parallel and perpendicular to the slope. There is an exploration of how to equate the forces acting on the two different masses in equilibrium.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on decomposing forces into their components, suggesting that this approach is valid. There is acknowledgment of the need to consider the vector nature of forces and their components in different orientations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the distinction between the components of forces when acting parallel versus horizontal to the slope, which may influence the interpretation of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A force of magnitude F acting up and along a smooth inclined plane, can support a mass M in equilibrium. If a force of the same magnitude acts horizontally, it can support a mass m on the same inclined plane in equilibrium.

Find a relationship between F, M and m which is independent of the angle of inclination of the slope.



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The Attempt at a Solution


Im lost with this :confused: I have no idea where to start. I guess you:
Take each force and particle separately.
Resolve the forces into horizontal/vertical components.
Let the sum of all these forces equal 0.
Do the same for the second particle and equate the two equations to each other through F.

Good so far?
 
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Final_HB said:

Homework Statement


A force of magnitude F acting up and along a smooth inclined plane, can support a mass M in equilibrium. If a force of the same magnitude acts horizontally, it can support a mass m on the same inclined plane in equilibrium.

Find a relationship between F, M and m which is independent of the angle of inclination of the slope.



Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution


Im lost with this :confused: I have no idea where to start. I guess you:
Take each force and particle separately.
Resolve the forces into horizontal/vertical components.
Let the sum of all these forces equal 0.
Do the same for the second particle and equate the two equations to each other through F.

Good so far?

Yes, it is good in principle. Go ahead.

( You might consider to decompose the forces into components, parallel and perpendicular to the slope)

ehild
 
when you say resolve perpendicular/parallel to the slope, do you mean like:

F=Fcosα + Fsinα
 
Final_HB said:
when you say resolve perpendicular/parallel to the slope, do you mean like:

F=Fcosα + Fsinα

Remember the force is vector. Its components are different if it is parallel with the slope, or horizontal. Only the magnitude is the same in both cases.
If it is a horizontal force, the parallel component is Fcosα and the normal component is -Fsinα.
The whole force vector is ##\vec F = F\cos(\alpha )\hat i-F\sin(\alpha) \hat j## where ##\hat i## and ##\hat j## are unit vectors along the slope (up) and perpendicular to it (out), respectively.


ehild
 

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