Particle Spin - how to cause change to direction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of particle spin, particularly focusing on how to change the direction of spin in particles like electrons. It explores various methods for achieving controlled spin flips and the relationship between spin and magnetic dipole moments, as well as related phenomena in quantum mechanics and chemistry.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how electrons can be "turned" to change their spin direction, noting the unique characteristic of 720-degree rotation for half-spin particles.
  • Another participant suggests looking at previous discussions for more insights.
  • Several methods for creating controlled spin flips are proposed, including the use of magnetic fields, microwaves, circularly polarized light, and radio waves, depending on the system.
  • A participant inquires whether all interactions related to spin are fundamentally via magnetic fields and questions the practical differences between spin and magnetic dipole moments.
  • Responses indicate that while interactions may involve magnetic fields, there are significant spin-related phenomena that do not pertain to magnetic dipole moments.
  • Further questions arise about other spin-related phenomena beyond magnetic dipole moments, with examples such as electron pairing in orbitals and the Pauli exclusion principle being mentioned.
  • Conservation of angular momentum in reactions involving neutral particles is noted as a phenomenon that demonstrates spin without a significant magnetic moment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between spin and magnetic dipole moments, with some asserting that there are many spin-related phenomena unrelated to magnetic moments. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of how angular momentum is detected.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of detailed explanations on how angular momentum is detected and the dependence on definitions of spin and magnetic dipole moments. Some assumptions about the nature of interactions and phenomena are not fully explored.

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Everywhere I read about the angular momentum / spin of electrons and how a 1/2 spin particle has a unique characteristic that you need to turn it 720 degrees in order to get it turned back to where it was before you started turning it.

How exactly do people "turn" an electron in this fashion? I can't find anything anywhere that explains 'how' we are able to change the direction of the spin like that.

Thanks
 
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There are various ways to create a controlled spin flip, depending on the system.

The first way is just to wack your system with a giant magnetic field

In ferromagnetic metals, you can use microwaves

In direct bandgap semiconductors you can use microwaves or circularly polarized light

For nuclear spins, you use radio waves.

In oxides materials, there may be more exciting ways
 
rigetFrog said:
There are various ways to create a controlled spin flip, depending on the system.

The first way is just to wack your system with a giant magnetic field

In ferromagnetic metals, you can use microwaves

In direct bandgap semiconductors you can use microwaves or circularly polarized light

For nuclear spins, you use radio waves.

In oxides materials, there may be more exciting ways

Are all those interactions essentially via magnetic fields? Is there any practical difference between spin and magnetic dipole moment?
 
Jabbu said:
Are all those interactions essentially via magnetic fields
Yes, but...
Is there any practical difference between spin and magnetic dipole moment?

Yes. There are many more spin-related phenomena that have nothing to do with magnetic dipole moments.
 
Nugatory said:
Yes. There are many more spin-related phenomena that have nothing to do with magnetic dipole moments.

Thanks. What are some of the other spin-related phenomena? It's hard to find anything other than information about the magnetic dipole moment.

I'm also wondering how angular momentum is actually detected or is it only surmised from observing the magnetic dipole?
 
len said:
Thanks. What are some of the other spin-related phenomena? It's hard to find anything other than information about the magnetic dipole moment.
The pairing of electrons in orbitals, which is apparent from the structure of the periodic table of elements and accounts for pretty much all of modern chemistry is one example. The Pauli exclusion principle, without which the universe would be unimaginably different, is another.

Conservation of angular momentum in reactions involving neutral particles is a bit less exciting than these but clearly shows that there can be spin without significant magnetic moment.
 

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