Particles with electric charges visible to the human eye?

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The discussion centers on the visibility of charged particles to the human eye, particularly under LED light and their interaction with magnetism. Participants clarify that traditional subatomic particles like electrons and protons are too small to be seen without specialized equipment. The conversation highlights the ambiguity in defining "particles," with some contributors referencing visible entities like dust or atomized substances, while others emphasize the need for precise definitions. Ultimately, the consensus is that true charged particles cannot be observed directly with the naked eye.

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Are there any particles known in the Physics world with an either positive or negative charge that can be viewed by the human eye under LED light illumination and have an attraction/repulsion to magnetism?
 
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Joe Hagner said:
Are there any particles known in the Physics world with an either positive or negative charge that can be viewed by the human eye under LED light illumination and have an attraction/repulsion to magnetism?

Define by what you mean by "particle". I can charge tiny styrofoam "particles" and I can see this with my naked eyes. But does this count? Without any elaboration on your definition, I don't know.

Zz.
 
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For instance carbon gas particles
 
Sure you can see big clumps of particles with a microscope or even individual particles with electron microscope.
 
gatopardos said:
Sure you can see big clumps of particles with a microscope or even individual particles with electron microscope.

Pretty sure he's referring to individual particles and naked eye

to which the answer would be noDave
 
Thanks Dave
 
Joe Hagner said:
Thanks Dave
If you look closely at the condensation window you can faintly see what I am seeing, these were placed inside the sealed bottle last night around 10 pm, out in the open they are repelled by N42 neodymium magnets, just curious if anyone has seen anything like this before and I have some more pictures and will be getting some higher quality pictures with different spectrums
 

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Joe Hagner said:
If you look closely at the condensation window you can faintly see what I am seeing, these were placed inside the sealed bottle last night around 10 pm, out in the open they are repelled by N42 neodymium magnets, just curious if anyone has seen anything like this before and I have some more pictures and will be getting some higher quality pictures with different spectrums

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at here. Are you saying that these are images of "individual particles"? I can see dust particles in the air whenever the light shines just right.

Look, I still think that your idea of "individual particle" is very vague (in fact, you've offered none other than a puzzling example even after I asked).

Here are the facts: well-known "particles", such as electrons, protons, etc... are WAY to small to be seen by our naked eyes. Period. The light that can be used in a similar fashion as what we ordinarily see have wavelengths that are just orders of magnitude too short to be within the visible range (they are also too energetic to be safely viewed with our eyes).

So unless you have a definitive length scale that you consider to be within your definition of "individual particles", the answer you'll get can range from "NO" to "YES", because your definition is fluid and appears to have no clear boundaries.

Zz,.
 
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agree with Zz

Joe, you need to define YOUR definition of particles
As Zz indicated, to a physicist, particles are atoms and sub-atomic particles that make up atoms

your pic shows water droplets they are huge in comparison and easily distinguishable to the naked eye and definitely don't fall into the
realm of what are termed particles

Dave
 
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I took a video to try and better illustrate what I am seeing, just thought it was fascinating the wave and particle action. The video was taken in a room with no ventilation.
 
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Joe Hagner said:
I took a video to try and better illustrate what I am seeing, just thought it was fascinating the wave and particle action. The video was taken in a room with no ventilation.

I appears that you have zero intention in addressing the issue that I had brought up, which makes this a one way conversation that I'm on longer interested in participating.

My point about dust particles still stand.

Zz.
 
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These are C3H8O2 PG, atomised, not dust, and to my knowledge dust does not react to magnetism
 
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Joe Hagner said:
These are C3H8O2 PG, atomised, not dust, and to my knowledge dust does not react to magnetism

This has nothing to do with magnetism, or charge particles. It has everything to do with SIZE and the definition of "particle" in your original question. To SEE something with your naked eyes does NOT require it to react with magnetism, or have a charge! It has everything to do with how that particle can be distinguished using light in the visible spectrum!

This "size" of a "particle" is what you have failed to define, and what is causing your question to be ambiguous.

Zz.
 
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At what point in the video do you switch on the magnetic field? I couldn't see any obvious reaction.
 
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I will post another video, with the N42 magnet, that was just the particles
 
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davenn said:
Joe, you need to define YOUR definition of particles

He's been asked four times and for some inexplicable reason refuses to provide one. What is with all these questions where the OP pushes to keep the question vague?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
He's been asked four times and for some inexplicable reason refuses to provide one. What is with all these questions where the OP pushes to keep the question vague?

I'm going to give up on this thread and move on :rolleyes:
 
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I'm studying the effects PG after it has been ran through upward spiral coil at 40A .5 Ohm, from what I see it has an charge, I'm sorry I am a beginner to all of this, but here is another video you might have much more insight than me on , I'm sorry for the misclassification or naked eye at the beginning.
 
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