Does Magnetism Require Electricity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between electricity and magnetism, exploring whether magnetism requires the presence of electricity. Participants are examining concepts related to electric charge movement, magnetic fields, and the implications of neutral particles like neutrons and neutrinos in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that magnetism is inherently linked to the movement of electric charges, implying that electricity must be present for magnetism to exist.
  • Another participant reinforces that moving electrons (current) produce a magnetic field, and that changing magnetic fields can induce electricity, indicating a reciprocal relationship between electricity and magnetism.
  • A participant questions the necessity of electricity for magnetism by mentioning that neutral particles like neutrons and neutrinos can have a magnetic moment due to their spin, suggesting that magnetism may not solely depend on electric charge movement.
  • There is a request for clarification on the status of neutrino magnetic moments, indicating uncertainty about whether they have been definitively measured or if only upper limits have been established.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the explanation of the concepts, indicating a developing understanding of the role of electrons in creating electricity and magnetism.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the relationship between electricity and magnetism, with no consensus reached on whether magnetism requires electricity or if other factors, such as the properties of neutral particles, play a role.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the measurement of neutrino magnetic moments and the implications of neutral particles on the understanding of magnetism.

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In order for magnetism to be present doesn't electricity have to be present? A electron moves from a negative charge to positive charge and magnetism is the motion of electric charge, resulting in attractive and repulsive forces between objects. It seems to me that if a negative and positve charge exist then magnetism must present. Any insight would be greatly appreciated because we are starting electrical charges and forces in my physics II class and would like someone elses insight, please.
 
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When there is Electricity (MOVEMENT of charges) then there is Magnetism i.e moving electrons (Current) Produce magnetic field around them.

Secondly Changing Magnetic field causes Electricity to flow in wires put in changing magnetic field.[ Faraday's Law ]

So Electricity and Magnetism Comes in pair.
 
dad3 said:
In order for magnetism to be present doesn't electricity have to be present? A electron moves from a negative charge to positive charge and magnetism is the motion of electric charge, resulting in attractive and repulsive forces between objects. It seems to me that if a negative and positve charge exist then magnetism must present. Any insight would be greatly appreciated because we are starting electrical charges and forces in my physics II class and would like someone elses insight, please.

It depends on how far you want to go with this. Note that both neutrons and neutrinos are neutral, and yet, they have a net magnetic moment due to the spin angular quantum number.

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ZapperZ said:
[...] both neutrons and neutrinos are neutral, and yet, they have a net magnetic moment due to the spin angular quantum number.

On neutrino magnetic moment...

I was under the impression that experiments so far have not definitively measured a neutrino magnetic moment, but only established upper limits.

Perhaps you know of more recent results? If so, could you give references please?
 
Freeze3018 said:
When there is Electricity (MOVEMENT of charges) then there is Magnetism i.e moving electrons (Current) Produce magnetic field around them.

Secondly Changing Magnetic field causes Electricity to flow in wires put in changing magnetic field.[ Faraday's Law ]

So Electricity and Magnetism Comes in pair.

Thank you for this explanation because I think I am starting to grasp the concept of electrons, they seem to be the ones doing the traveling which creates the work/potential. Electrons are in everything and are constantly moving and therefore creating some sort of electricity...??
 

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