Path-choice experiment in the framework of the MWI

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The discussion revolves around a path-choice experiment using a Mach-Zehnder interferometer within the framework of the Many Worlds Interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of modifying the interferometer to produce unequal probabilities for detecting photons at two detectors, as well as the representation of these outcomes in Hilbert space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to modify the interferometer such that Detector A records a photon with a probability of 0.1 and Detector B with a probability of 0.9, and seeks clarification on how to represent this in superposition.
  • Another participant suggests adjusting the phase to achieve the desired probabilities and discusses the implications of the Many Worlds Interpretation regarding the number of worlds corresponding to each detector's activation.
  • Some participants propose that in the Many Worlds framework, there are infinitely many worlds, with a subset where 90% have the B detector activated and 10% the A detector.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the subset of worlds where measurements occur, with some asserting that this subset is infinite in size, while others question how the probabilities relate to the infinite nature of worlds.
  • One participant expresses confusion about how the probability ratio of 9:1 can be maintained if both detectors are measured in an infinite number of worlds.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of indexing worlds by a real-valued parameter to clarify the distribution of outcomes based on the probabilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of infinite worlds in relation to the probabilities of detection at each detector. While some agree on the infinite nature of worlds, there is no consensus on how this affects the interpretation of the 9:1 probability ratio.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves assumptions about the nature of measurement and the representation of quantum states in Hilbert space, which may not be fully resolved. The relationship between the infinite number of worlds and the probabilities assigned to each detector remains a point of contention.

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In a Mach-Zehnder interferometer the light arrives independent on the path at one the two detectors because of complete constructive resp. destructive interference at the final beam splitter. Is it possible to modify the device such that dependent on the path either detector A or Detector B will record a photon but with unequal probability, say Detektor A with a probability of 0.1 and B of 0.9?

If yes, how would one write down the superposition of the two paths? I dont't trust the naive

0.1(path 1 + Detektor A) + 0.9(path 2 + Detektor B).

How should one think of the representation of the two possible states - photon arrives at A and photon arrives at B - and their probabilities in the Hilbert space?

And sorry, naively again, is the outcome that there are x A worlds and 9x B worlds? And is x limited?
 
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You can adjust the phase to make that possible. You want a phase shift close to pi for the low probability path and correspondingly a phase shift close to 0 for the other.
timmdeeg said:
And sorry, naively again, is the outcome that there are x A worlds and 9x B worlds? And is x limited?
In the many worlds interpretation, after measuring, there are two worlds with different amplitudes. In other interpretation there are no different worlds. Before measuring you still have a coherent state and all interpretations agree that you just have a different amplitude.
 
In Modern takes in Many Worlds you have an infinite number of worlds. Within the subset where your measurement took place 90% have the B detector activated and 10% the A detector.
 
Thank you both for answering.

DarMM said:
In Modern takes in Many Worlds you have an infinite number of worlds. Within the subset where your measurement took place 90% have the B detector activated and 10% the A detector.
Ok. So this subset represents a finite number of worlds and also the expected probability regarding the activated detector.
What determines the number of worlds in the subset if one measurement is performed?
 
timmdeeg said:
Thank you both for answering.Ok. So this subset represents a finite number of worlds and also the expected probability regarding the activated detector.
What determines the number of worlds in the subset if one measurement is performed?
The subset is also infinite in size, it's just the subset where your measurement took place, i.e. several branching points in the macroworld's history do not lead to your measurement occurring. The number of world where you did perform your measurement is still infinite (technically uncountably infinite), but it's not the totality of worlds.
 
DarMM said:
The subset is also infinite in size,
But then the photon is measured in an infinite number of worlds in Detetcor A and in an infinite number of worlds in Detector B as well. So, the probability 9:1 seems lost, if I see that correctly.
 
timmdeeg said:
But then the photon is measured in an infinite number of worlds in Detetcor A and in an infinite number of worlds in Detector B as well. So, the probability 9:1 seems lost, if I see that correctly.
The 90% comes from the measure of worlds or world volume. If it helps imagine the worlds being indexed by a real valued parameter ##a##. Worlds with ##a \in [0,0.9]## are those where the B detector clicked.
 
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DarMM said:
The 90% comes from the measure of worlds or world volume. If it helps imagine the worlds being indexed by a real valued parameter ##a##. Worlds with ##a \in [0,0.9]## are those where the B detector clicked.
Thanks, that clarifies my question.
 

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