Pendulum tension in rotating reference frame

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a pendulum attached to a student in a rotating chair, where the goal is to calculate the difference in tension in the pendulum string when the bob is hanging vertically versus when the chair is rotating. The scenario includes specific measurements for the pendulum's length, the radius of rotation, the weight of the bob, and the rotation period of the chair.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the tension in both scenarios but expresses confusion about the effects of rotation on tension and the angle of the bob. Some participants suggest using a free body diagram and consider the fictitious centrifugal force acting on the bob.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing guidance on how to approach the free body diagram and discussing the role of fictitious forces. There is a collaborative effort to clarify concepts without reaching a consensus on the specific calculations or outcomes.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is uncertain about how to find the angle of the bob from the vertical and how centripetal acceleration factors into the problem. The discussion reflects a need for further exploration of these concepts without providing definitive answers.

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Homework Statement


A student is in a rotating chair with a pendulum hanging down in the middle of the rotation. . I need to calculate the difference in tension when the bob is hanging vertically and when the chair is rotating. The length of the bob and string is 65.3 cm. The radius of the rotation is 32 cm and the bob weighs 20.0 g and the chair completes a rotation every 3 sec.


Homework Equations



F=ma
T=mg
F=m(v^2/r)
ac=v^2/r
v=(2piR)/T

The Attempt at a Solution



The tension when it is vertical and not rotating would just be T=mg or .196N. When the chair is rotating I get confused. To me it seems all I have to do is find the angle the bob makes with the vertical and multiply this to the tension of the vertical (but I can't find the angle). However, since the chair is rotating I'm not sure how this effects tension. I'm not sure if centripetal acceleration has anything to do with it. I'm not even sure how to make the free body diagram. I know mg and T act on the bob in opposite directions and a fictitious force is pulling the bob outward.

Thanks for the help.
 
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hi knightcydonia! :smile:

if you're using the corotating frame, then there's no acceleration at all,

so you can treat it as an ordinary statics problem (with the extra, centrifugal, force) …

just do a free body diagram as usual :wink:
 
sorry, but for the free body diagram T and mg are opposite and the bob is unknown degrees from vertical. What is causing the bob to move outward? the fictitious centrifugal force? I don't know how to find the angle...? sorry
 
knightcydonia said:
What is causing the bob to move outward? the fictitious centrifugal force?

yes!

pretend it's a fictitious horizontal rope, and put it in the diagram :wink:

now proceed as usual (free body diagram or vector triangle ) :smile:
 
Thank you for speedy replies and help!
 

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