Penguin sliding up a ramp with friction

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a penguin sliding up a ramp with friction. Participants are exploring the forces acting on the penguin, including static and kinetic friction, as well as the incline angle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the importance of expressing equations in terms of symbols rather than substituting numbers early in the process. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between variables such as weight, incline angle, and coefficients of friction.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem symbolically, suggesting that this method will facilitate understanding and troubleshooting. Others have shared their numerical results for various parts of the problem, indicating a mix of exploration and validation of answers.

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There is mention of a professor's teaching style influencing participants' approaches, as well as a focus on the potential for calculation errors when using numerical substitutions too early in the problem-solving process.

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in picture, not sure if i am even doing this properly but i think i am? i am going to continue trying part b but please if you can let me know if i am doing this proper let me know...Thank you
 

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Your work so far is probably OK but it is hard to follow what you are doing because you are substituting numbers right from the start. It is best to find an expression in terms of symbols giving the minimum force in part (a) in terms of symbols not numbers. Use W = weight of penguin, θ = incline angle, μs = coeff. static friction, μk = coeff. of kinetic friction, Fmin = minimum force, Fmax=maximum force, Fconst = force needed to have the system move at constant velocity. Believe me, if you do this it will pay off in the end because essentially the same equation in terms of symbols answers all the parts with some minor adjustments. Furthermore, you will be able to see the bigger picture of what's going on.
 
kuruman said:
Your work so far is probably OK but it is hard to follow what you are doing because you are substituting numbers right from the start. It is best to find an expression in terms of symbols giving the minimum force in part (a) in terms of symbols not numbers. Use W = weight of penguin, θ = incline angle, μs = coeff. static friction, μk = coeff. of kinetic friction, Fmin = minimum force, Fmax=maximum force, Fconst = force needed to have the system move at constant velocity. Believe me, if you do this it will pay off in the end because essentially the same equation in terms of symbols answers all the parts with some minor adjustments. Furthermore, you will be able to see the bigger picture of what's going on.
okay thank you for the tip, my professor does this too i should probably adapt that habit.
 
isukatphysics69 said:
okay thank you for the tip, my professor does this too i should probably adapt that habit.
I agree with your professor 200%. It's a good habit because
(a) You can enter the formula and the input variables in something like a spreadsheet and calculate the answer in no time. This eliminates or helps troubleshoot calculation errors because recalculation is easy.
(b) If the answer is incorrect you can troubleshoot it by performing dimensional analysis and, if that fails, check your algebra easily lest you forgot a given quantity, squaring what needs to be squared, starting with an incorrect equation, etc.
 
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ok for part b i am getting 46.2 Newtons

Answers = a.)8.6N, b.) 46.2N, c.) 38.6N
 
isukatphysics69 said:
ok for part b i am getting 46.2 Newtons

Answers = a.)8.6N, b.) 46.2N, c.) 38.6N
Those all look right.
 
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haruspex said:
Those all look right.
I agree.
 
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YES! Thank you guys
 

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