Pentaprism with magnification, which surface is curved?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the design and functionality of a pentaprism intended for image magnification. Participants explore the optical properties of the prism, including the curvature of its surfaces and the implications for image quality, such as aberrations. The conversation includes considerations for integrating additional lenses to achieve the desired magnification effect.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that one of the four surfaces of the pentaprism needs to be curved to achieve magnification, questioning which surface should be curved and whether a reflecting surface can be spherical.
  • Another participant recommends using separate lenses for magnification to avoid color aberrations that may arise from curving any surface of the pentaprism.
  • Some participants indicate that any of the surfaces can be curved, but this may introduce chromatic and non-chromatic aberrations that could require correction.
  • A later reply revisits the problem with updated measurements and proposes using a convex lens to collimate the virtual image, questioning the optimal placement of the lens in relation to the prism and the eye.
  • One participant discusses the relationship between lens distance and angular magnification, noting that increasing the distance from the lens to the eye can enhance magnification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to achieve magnification with the pentaprism, with some advocating for curved surfaces and others suggesting separate lenses. There is no consensus on the optimal design or method for minimizing aberrations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential issues with chromatic and non-chromatic aberrations, the importance of lens placement, and the relationship between lens distance and magnification, but do not resolve these complexities.

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I would like to use a pentaprism with some amount of magnification. The pentaprism will be used to reflect a real image at 90 degrees angle but I also want the reflected image to appear larger. The distance between the prism and the real image is about 70cm. The pentaprism has two reflecting sides (surfaces) with mirrored coating and two refracting sides. I understand that one of the four sides needs to be curved (spherical curvature) to achieve the magnification effect. But which of the fours surfaces? Can the reflecting side be curved like a spherical concave mirror? What is the relation between the radius of curvature and the focal length?
 
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You better use separate lenses to magnify the image. Any curved surface of the pentaprism will cause color aberrations you cannot avoid. Use an achromatic objective and an adequate eyepiece to achieve the magnification you want. The prism should be in between, in the front of the eyepiece. You can use objective and eyepiece from an old binocular. Just find the correct length of the needed tube to get a sharp focused image of the object.
 
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Any of them can be curved, but you'll generate chromatic and non-chromatic aberrations that may or may not need to be corrected for. Your best bet is probably to place positive lens somewhere in the system. Whether this lens is achromatic or not is up to you since we don't know what tolerances you're dealing with.
 
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Drakkith said:
Any of them can be curved, but you'll generate chromatic and non-chromatic aberrations that may or may not need to be corrected for. Your best bet is probably to place positive lens somewhere in the system. Whether this lens is achromatic or not is up to you since we don't know what tolerances you're dealing with.
Revisiting an old thread as I have to consider this problem again. The distance between the penta prism and the real image is 65cm and the prism is placed very close to the eye (2-3cm). A convex lens (achromatic to reduce chromatic aberrations and/or aspheric too reduce spherical aberrations) with focal length 65cm or slightly larger would work to collimate the virtual image to very large distance? If so, the lens will be placed between the prism and the eye, or between the prism and the real image?
 
Lens magnification depends on the distance to your eye, viewing though the lens. If lens (thin lens) coincide with eye, its angular magnification is 1x. If you increase distance between lens and eye, the angular magnification would increase until infinity when eye coincide with the point of converged beam.
A separate from the angular magnification issue is how to make image sharp for eye, that eye would be able to accommodate at the image through the lens. An illustrating drawing is desirable.
 

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