Perpetual motion through magnetized water?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of achieving perpetual motion through a system involving magnetized water, permanent magnets, and copper wire. Participants explore the feasibility of generating electricity without moving parts by utilizing the properties of ferromagnetic materials and steam.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that mixing water with a ferromagnetic metal and running it through permanent magnets could create a system that generates electricity perpetually without moving parts.
  • Another participant asserts that energy conservation laws prohibit perpetual motion, stating that energy input will always exceed energy output in such systems.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the energy required to convert water to steam and return it to its original state would outweigh any energy extracted from the system.
  • One participant humorously questions the initial proposal and highlights the issue of electrical resistance in the system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the feasibility of the proposed perpetual motion system, with some firmly stating that it is impossible due to the laws of physics, while others explore the idea without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the conservation of energy and the implications of resistance in electrical systems, but do not resolve the underlying assumptions or mathematical considerations involved in the proposed mechanism.

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if you mixed water with a feromagnetic metal and then ran it through permanent magnets (giving it a charge or allign it correctly) , then heated it up into stem and ran it through a coil of copper wire (in some way as to cause electrons to flow). waited for it to condensate (perhaps using the enviornment) and re-ran the cycle.

could you produce enough electricity to keep everything perpetually moving? remember, there are no moving parts. just electricity moving.
 
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No. Energy is always conserved. Perpetual motion is forbidden both by the laws of nature and the rules of this forum.
 
The energy to turn the water to steam and get it back to the top of whatever it is running down (presumably a pipe?) would outweigh any energy you get out of the system.

If you could utilise all the energy given out by a system all you would be able to do is reset it to it's original set up, if you want to extract energy to do work the system looses energy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
 
DaleSpam said:
Perpetual motion is forbidden both by the laws of nature and the rules of this forum.

I don't know if you went for comedy with that, but it made me chuckle! :smile:

@avolaster: Do you realize electricity also encounters resistance?
 
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