PGRE | Resistor Combination Circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the equivalent resistance in a complex resistor combination circuit, focusing on recognizing series and parallel configurations. Participants explore methods to simplify the circuit using symmetry and potential differences.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in identifying series and parallel combinations in a complicated circuit, noting that the first three resistors appear to be in parallel but struggles to see how to combine them further.
  • Another participant clarifies that the circuit does not present explicit series or parallel opportunities due to the configuration of the components, emphasizing the need for specific conditions to identify such combinations.
  • A suggestion is made to utilize symmetry in the circuit, indicating that components connected between nodes with the same potential can be removed without affecting the overall circuit operation.
  • A participant acknowledges the suggestion and identifies two resistors that can be eliminated based on the symmetry, proposing that nodes with the same potential allow for simplification of the circuit.
  • Another participant agrees with the idea of using symmetry to simplify the circuit, although they express uncertainty about the approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of symmetry in simplifying the circuit, but there is no consensus on the specific steps to take or the confidence in applying these methods.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the circuit's configuration and the identification of nodes may be missing, which could affect the conclusions drawn about the potential differences and the ability to simplify the circuit.

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Homework Statement


Hello forum, please see the attached image.

This problem amounts to finding the equivalent resistance for the circuit and using Ohm's law to solve for the current.


Homework Equations



V=IR

The Attempt at a Solution


What I really need help with is learning how to recognize series and parallel combinations in complicated circuits like this one. It's difficult for me to see any possible combination, series or parallel, in this circuit. It looks to me that if you follow the current down from the top of the resistors, that the first three are definitely parallel, but then those are also in parallel with the others so I really don't see how you're supposed to combine them.
 

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CanIExplore said:
What I really need help with is learning how to recognize series and parallel combinations in complicated circuits like this one. It's difficult for me to see any possible combination, series or parallel, in this circuit. It looks to me that if you follow the current down from the top of the resistors, that the first three are definitely parallel, but then those are also in parallel with the others so I really don't see how you're supposed to combine them.

Your confusion is not without good reason: there are no explicit series or parallel resistor opportunities to exploit in the circuit as it is.

For two components to be in parallel, their leads must share exactly two nodes; you should be able to trace a continuous loop through both components without passing through any other component. No such opportunities exist in the diagram.

For two components to be in series, one lead from each component must share the same node alone; no other connections are permitted to that node. Again, no such opportunities present themselves in the diagram.

What you can do, though, is take advantage of the symmetry that exists in the circuit. If two separate nodes have the same potential, then any component connected between those nodes will carry no current and that component can be removed or shorted without affecting the circuit operation! Can you spot any candidate components for removal?
 
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I had not thought of that before. So I think I can eliminate 2 resistors using this method which I crossed out in the "Equipotential nodes" image I have attached. I can do this since the potential difference between nodes 1 and 2 is the same as the potential difference between nodes 1 and 3 and 1 and 4 correct? Therefore, nodes 2, 3, and 4 should all be at the same potential allowing me to remove the resistors in between them. Then I end up with the reduced circuit I have drawn in the final attached image. Which is now a combination of two sets of parallel resistors. 1, 2, and 3 can be added in parallel and the same goes with 4, 5, and 6. Which leaves me with 2 resistors in series.

Thank you so much gneill.
 

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I am not confident about doing this one but I agree with gneill.
Look at the symmetry, I think a lot can be ignored (discounted) because of the symmetry.
Half way is half way ! It does not sound rigorous but that would get me started.
 

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