Which Salt Produces Lowest pH Solution?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Soaring Crane
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Ph Salt
AI Thread Summary
The discussion focuses on identifying which salt produces the lowest pH solution when dissolved in water, with options including NaCl, NH4Cl, MgCl2, and AlCl3. Participants agree that NH4Cl and AlCl3 are acidic salts, with a consensus leaning towards AlCl3 due to its higher acidity from Al(3+) compared to NH4+. The conversation delves into the hydrolysis of these salts, discussing their equilibrium expressions and how to relate pH to their dissociation constants (Kb). The importance of understanding the relationships between Kb, Ka, and the hydrolysis equilibrium is emphasized for determining the pH. Overall, the analysis suggests that AlCl3 is likely to produce the lowest pH solution.
Soaring Crane
Messages
461
Reaction score
0
Which one of the following salts, when dissolved in water, produces the solution with the lowest pH?


a.NaCl

b.NH4Cl

c.MgCl2

d.AlCl3

Ammonium chloride

My answer lies with b or d since they are both acidic salts, but I think is it d since the K_a is greater for Al(3+) than NH4+.


Thanks.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
The general rule of thumb is that the salt of a
  • Strong Acid - Strong Base is neutral
  • Weak Acid - Strong Base is basic
  • Strong Acid - Weak Base is acidic
  • Weak acid - Weak base depends on ka and kb
 
So the base for NH4Cl is NH4(OH).
The base for AlCl3 is Al(OH)3.

Both spawn from the strong acid HCl, so how do I rank them from here with this criteria?
 
Soaring Crane said:
So the base for NH4Cl is NH4(OH).
The base for AlCl3 is Al(OH)3.

Right

Both spawn from the strong acid HCl, so how do I rank them from here with this criteria?

In this case, look at the equilibrium which exists.

R+ + H2O <====> ROH + H+
where R+ can be NH4+ or Al3+.

The challenge here is to relate the pH to Kb. You can do this mathematically and get a relationship from which you can get the answer. If you assume the initial concentration of R+ to be 'a' and the extent of dissociation to be 'x', can you come up with a equation relating the pH and Kb?
(Hint: Try assuming that x is negligible when compared to 1 to simplify your calculations)
 
Last edited:
pH = 14 + log (K_b*[A-]/[HA]), where K_b = [HA][OH-]/[A-]??

Is this an expression for that relationship?
 
Soaring Crane said:
pH = 14 + log (K_b*[A-]/[HA]), where K_b = [HA][OH-]/[A-]??

Is this an expression for that relationship?


Not quite.
First of all can you see that k_h = \frac{k_w}{k_b}? This is because

H2O <=======> H+ + OH- ---- kw

ROH <=====> R+ + OH- ----- kb

Now if you subtract the two equations above you get,
R+ + H2O <====> ROH + H+
which is your hydrolysis equilibrium. So K for the above equilibrium will be k_h = \frac{k_w}{k_b}.

If the initial concentration of R+ is 'a' and the extent of dissociation is 'x', then at equilibrium, the concentration of ROH and H+ will be ax and the concentration of R+ will be a-ax. Is it clear till this?

Now, you know that

k_h = \frac{k_w}{k_b} = \frac{(ROH)(H^+)}{(R^+)}.

So substitute the concentrations in the above equation. Remember, you need the concentration of H+ (ie, 'ax'). Can you take it from here? If any of the above isn't clear, don't hesitate to ask.
 
Last edited:
I don't get how to argue it. i can prove: evolution is the ability to adapt, whether it's progression or regression from some point of view, so if evolution is not constant then animal generations couldn`t stay alive for a big amount of time because when climate is changing this generations die. but they dont. so evolution is constant. but its not an argument, right? how to fing arguments when i only prove it.. analytically, i guess it called that (this is indirectly related to biology, im...

Similar threads

Back
Top