Phase Synchronisation Techniques

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The discussion revolves around phase synchronization techniques used in mobile and satellite communication. Participants explore various methods, challenges, and resources related to the topic, focusing on both theoretical and practical aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Max inquires about phase synchronization techniques specifically for mobile and satellite communication.
  • Berkeman explains that phase synchronization in benign channels uses a preamble for reference, but notes the challenges in mobile communication due to multipath and hand-off issues.
  • Max lists Phase Locked Loop and Closed Loop Control as potential techniques after conducting research.
  • Baluncore acknowledges these techniques as possible but emphasizes the importance of knowing the modulation of the signal being demodulated.
  • Max expresses difficulty in finding relevant research papers, noting that many focus on power rather than mobile/satellite communication.
  • Baluncore suggests a systematic approach to research, including compiling a list of satellites, their links, modulation used, and synchronization solutions.
  • Another participant asks if "Carrier Phase Synchronization using Phase Lock Loops" is a correct technique, to which Baluncore confirms it as an old analogue technique.
  • Baluncore discusses the use of digital synchronization and demodulation techniques, particularly for BPSK and QPSK modulation methods.
  • Participants mention the use of spread spectrum techniques and correlators in GPS for phase locking to the spreading code.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of various phase synchronization techniques, but there is no consensus on which techniques are most applicable or effective for specific scenarios in mobile and satellite communication. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approaches to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the specific modulation techniques and synchronization solutions applicable to their research, indicating a need for further exploration and clarification.

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Hello Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone out there would know any kind of phase synchronisation techniques used in mobile/satellite communication. Thanks in advance

With Regards,
Max
 
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mtirmize said:
Hello Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone out there would know any kind of phase synchronisation techniques used in mobile/satellite communication. Thanks in advance

With Regards,
Max

Welcome to the PF.

Phase synchronization in relatively bening channels is done with a preamble, where the receiver is able to recognize a preamble pattern, and choose the zero phase angle in the preamble. Then it is the receiver's job to keep using that zero phase angle reference information as it decodes the rest of the transmission.

But you asked specifically about mobile communication, which is definitely not a benign channel. With multipath issues and cell hand-off issues, determining the reference phase is challenging.

I googled part of your title -- phase synchronisation techniques used in mobile communication, and got some very good hits. Try the same search, and see if you find what you are looking for. Let us know what you find... :smile:
 
Thanks Berkeman for your reply. Yeah I did googled the title "Phase Synchronisation Techniques". After lots of research I came up with

1. Phase Locked Loop.
2. Closed Loop Control.

Are those correct ?
 
In general, those are possible techniques.
I presume you are receiving a digital signal from a moving satellite. The technique to use will be determined by the modulation of the signal you are trying to demodulate. Can you identify the modulation used or maybe the signal you wish to detect ?
 
Hey Baluncore, firstly thanks for your reply to my thread.

Well i am just doing some research on "Phase Synchronisation Techniques" in Mobile or Satellite. I have been searching for some papers on IEEE papers but most of them come as Phase Syn for Power instead of Mobile/Satellite.

Cheers
 
Perhaps you would be better searching from a different direction.
1. Compile a list of satellites.
2. List the up/down links.
3. Identify the modulation used.
4. Identify the synchronisation solutions used.

Modulation methods change as demodulator technology advances.
Digital synchronisation and demodulation techniques are rapidly replacing analogue.
 
oh Baluncore, That is very helpful. Thank you so much
 
"Carrier Phase Synchronization using Phase lock loops" would that be a correct technique ?
 
Yes, that would be the old analogue technique.
“Synchronisation” of a reference oscillator to a received carrier is “phase locking”.

Try this link for a start... www.radioeng.cz/fulltexts/2010/10_01_149_154.pdf‎

I suggest you google “ synchronisation of qpsk ”
BPSK and QPSK are common digital modulation techniques.
Digital techniques/algorithms are used now for these signals.

By using spread spectrum techniques and knowing the spreading sequence the receiver can lock to the spreading code. That is how GPS does it. That requires a correlator capable of detecting the phase error.
 
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