Photon emission during x-Ray ionization process

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The discussion revolves around the photon emission during the x-ray ionization process, exploring the mechanisms of energy transfer during ionization and the conditions under which photons may be emitted. Participants delve into quantum mechanics and its implications for particle interactions, particularly in the context of x-ray collisions with atoms.

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Main Points Raised

  • Marco Uscanga expresses confusion about how photon emission occurs during ionization when the expelled electron takes all the radiant energy, leaving no excited states for energy decay.
  • Euquila clarifies that an x-ray can ionize an atom by knocking off an electron due to its high energy, and that photon emission can occur as a result of this collision, independent of excited bound states.
  • Marco acknowledges the probabilistic nature of photon emission as described by quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant notes that in high-energy collisions, such as those involving x-rays, it is also possible for electron-positron pairs to be created, depending on the energy involved, highlighting the variety of potential outcomes in particle interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the confusion expressed by Marco regarding photon emission and energy transfer. There are multiple viewpoints on the mechanisms involved in photon emission and the conditions under which it occurs, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of energy transfer during ionization and the conditions necessary for photon emission and particle creation, which remain unresolved.

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Dear mates:

During ionization with radiant energy there is a photon emission (see http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mod3.html). I know photon emission occurs by a decay of radiant energy from a excited state and what is confusing to me (I can't find a logical conection) is that the expulsed electron from ionization takes all the radiant energy and leaves the atom without excited levels for energy decayment.

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Marco Uscanga
 
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I'm not sure what you find confusing. An x-ray is colliding with an atom and -- because it has so much energy compared to the electric potential energy that holds the electron to the nucleus -- it knocks off the electron (ionizes it). Quantum mechanics tells you that there is also a probability that a photon is emitted as a result of this collision, which would carry off some of the momentum/energy. If you repeat the experiment over and over, some of the time you will get no photon, and sometimes you will get a photon...
You don't necessarily have to have excited bound electrons in order to create a photon... I don't know where you got this notion. Photon(s) can result from a particle collision directly (like a meson hitting a proton for example).
 
ok Euquila! I think I have to take into account that Quantum mechanics tells you that there is also a probability that a photon is emitted as a result of this collision, which would carry off some of the momentum/energy
 
Ya quantum mechanics is very interesting. For example, it is also possible that in this collision that a electron-positron pair is created, provided that the x-ray has enough energy with respect to the sum of the rest masses of these 2 daughter particles E_photon >= 2*m_e, with c=1. What you should realize is that when 2 particles collide, there are many outcomes that can occur with various (or even equal) probabilities depending on the which particles are colliding (gluons, photons, protons, etc...), their energies and momenta, whether they have integer spin (boson) or fractional spin (fermion), and other properties too...
 

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