Photon Spin and Polarization filters

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between photon spin and polarization filters, particularly how these concepts can be reconciled within the framework of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of photon helicity versus traditional spin, and the nature of polarization in light.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about explaining polarization filters using the concept of photon spins.
  • Another participant mentions that circularly polarized light involves photons with spin angular momentum of ##+\hbar## or ##-\hbar##, depending on the polarization direction.
  • A caution is raised regarding the interpretation of photon spin, noting that massless particles like photons should be treated differently from massive particles, and that they possess only helicity degrees of freedom.
  • There is a question about whether it is more accurate to refer to photon properties as helicity rather than spin, highlighting the distinction in the representations of the Poincare group for massless particles.
  • Some participants reiterate the idea that the conventional terminology of photon spin may still be used, but emphasize that this implies two spin degrees of freedom due to the massless nature of the photon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the terminology and conceptual understanding of photon spin versus helicity. There is no consensus on whether to prefer one term over the other, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of using traditional spin terminology for massless particles and the implications this has for understanding polarization filters. The discussion highlights the complexity of the underlying quantum mechanics without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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I understand how polarization can be explained using EM waves. However, I am unable to understand how to explain how polarization filters work when we use the concept of photon spins. Can someone help me with that?
 
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There's a really good video over at 3Blue1Brown that explains the quantum mechanics of photons passing through polarization filters:



They don't mention it, but when light is circularly polarized, each photon has a spin angular momentum of ##+\hbar## or ##-\hbar##, depending on whether the light is left or right circularly polarized.
 
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Be careful! A photon has no spin in the usual sense. Massless quanta have to be treated separately from massive ones. That's why in standard QFT massless particles have only 0 (for scalar and pseudo scalar fields) or 2 (for fields with spin ##\geq 1/2##) spin-like degrees of freedom (which most intuitively can be chosen in terms of the single-free-particle momentum-helicity basis ##|\vec{p},h \rangle## with ##h=\pm s## and ##\vec{p}## with the dispersion relation ##p \cdot p=0##, i.e., ##E=|\vec{p}|##).

For a first qualitative explanation of polaroids (absorptive polarization filters), see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarizer
 
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Does that mean, instead of saying that the photon has spin 1, we should instead say that it has helicity 1? I didn't realize that the representations of the Poincare group for massless particles cannot be labeled by spin!
 
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Does that mean, instead of saying that the photon has spin 1, we should instead say that it has helicity 1? I didn't realize that the representations of the Poincare group for massless particles cannot be labeled by spin!

This is because the little group of a massive particle, SU(2), is different than the little group of a photon, E(2).
 
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Geofleur said:
Does that mean, instead of saying that the photon has spin 1, we should instead say that it has helicity 1? I didn't realize that the representations of the Poincare group for massless particles cannot be labeled by spin!
The usual terminology is to say that the photon has spin 1 (in the sense of ##\vec{J}^2## has the lowest eigenvalue ##1 \cdot (1+1)=2##). Since the photon is massless this implies that there are two spin-degrees in freedom. A natural choice for a single-photon basis is to take momentum eigenvectors and eigenvectors of the angular momentum component in direction of the photon's mopmentum, i.e., the helicity, and this helicity ##h \in \{-1,1\}##.
 

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