Photons observed on photographic plate - but not in eyes? Why?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the observation of photons on photographic plates compared to the human eye's ability to perceive light. Participants explore the differences in sensitivity and integration times between photographic plates and human vision, particularly in low-light conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the human eye sees continuously, while a photographic plate functions similarly to a camera with a longer exposure time, making it more sensitive to weak light sources.
  • Another participant mentions that the human eye can detect individual photons, but typically requires them to be presented one at a time due to the overwhelming number of photons in normal conditions.
  • A different viewpoint explains that the eye integrates light over a short period, similar to how a CRT TV works, but the integration time is fixed and not suitable for long exposures, unlike photographic plates that can accumulate light over extended periods.
  • It is noted that the human eye adjusts its sensitivity in low-light conditions by increasing retinal sensitivity and aperture size, allowing it to perceive dim sources without needing long integration times.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various perspectives on the mechanisms of light perception and sensitivity, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus on the primary reasons for the differences in observation between photographic plates and the human eye.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the integration times of the eye and the conditions under which it operates remain unresolved. The discussion does not clarify the exact limits of human vision compared to photographic sensitivity.

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Hey,

We can observe the build up of photons on a photographic plate, but we can't observe this build up with our bare eyes. i.e. without needing a photographic plate - just by looking like how we look right now. how come?
 
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I *think* it has to do with our eyes seeing relatively continuously and the plate being like the lengthening exposure time on a camera. Thus for weak sources, the plate is more sensitive.
 
Human eye apparently can detect individual photons, but you need to be shooting them one at a time. Normally, there are just too many at once for you to detect individual ones.
 
Your eyes do integrate actually - it's why a CRT TV works. A CRT is not actually illuminated all at once - it illuminates one line at a time, but the scan frequency is fast enough that your eyes basically integrate it into a single, continuous image. However, the period of time over which your eyes integrate is fixed, and it's fairly short. Since you're seeing in real time, it wouldn't make sense for your eyes to integrate over periods of minutes for example, since you will almost never stare at one spot for multiple minutes at a time. However, photographic plates can be used where they are observing a single object for long periods of time, which allows the integration to be used over much longer periods than the eye does. This allows for greatly increased sensitivity by comparison.

Also, the eye is pretty darn sensitive. As photon count decreases, the eye responds not by integrating over longer periods the way a camera would (which would decrease ability to see motion), but instead by increasing the sensitivity of the retina and opening up the aperture to let in more photons. A fully dark adapted eye can see a remarkably dim source, so for nearly any situation, long integration isn't really necessary, and as stated above, it would actually hurt the ability to perceive motion.
 

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