Physics and math textbooks for self study

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of finding suitable textbooks for self-study in physics, particularly for students majoring in the subject. Participants explore the need for a comprehensive resource that integrates necessary mathematical concepts with physics topics, as well as the structure and accessibility of existing textbooks.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests a need for a single textbook that teaches required math alongside physics, emphasizing the importance of detailed explanations of mathematical steps.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the feasibility of a comprehensive textbook covering all topics from basic algebra to quantum mechanics, suggesting it would be excessively large.
  • There is a discussion about the classification of "Classical Mechanics" by Goldstein, Poole, and Safko as a graduate-level textbook, with some participants questioning its appropriateness for undergraduate study.
  • Some participants propose alternative textbooks, such as "An Intro to Mechanics" by Kleppner/Kolenkow and "Classical Mechanics" by Taylor, as more suitable for self-study.
  • Concerns are raised about the structure of standard textbooks, particularly the grouping of exercises and the depth of coverage on specific topics, which may hinder a holistic understanding of physics concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of certain textbooks and the practicality of a comprehensive resource. There is no consensus on the existence of an ideal textbook for self-study, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to learning physics independently.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in current textbooks, including the organization of exercises and the depth of mathematical explanations, but do not reach a resolution on how these issues could be addressed.

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Is there a one-stop textbook for physics major students, a single book that teaches you the required math for a particular physics subtopic before teaching you the physics (or teaches you both the math and physics together)? I find standard undergraduate textbooks, such as Classical Mechanics by Goldstein, Poole and Safko, difficult to use for self study.

It would be better imho if
1. certain/most mathematical steps are explained in more detail or with more emphasis
2. exercises are grouped according to sections instead of being one whole chunk at the back of the chapter as this would require the reader to finish the whole chapter before he could do any exercises
3. more worked examples in the main text (these fortunately are present in Introduction to Electrodynamics by David J. Griffiths)
4. include only the essential materials or have some labels to distinguish essential materials from non-essential ones so that readers can get familiar with a topic as fast as possible and they can later choose to read the non-essential materials if they want to go more in depth

The book's content page may look like this:
1. Basic algebra and calculus
2. Basic classical mechanics
3. Probability 1
4. Statistical mechanics 1
5. Linear algebra 1
6. Quantum mechanics 1
7. Vector calculus
8. Electromagnetism 1
9. Calculus 1
10. Classical mechanics 1

The book then gradually guides the readers to more advanced levels.

Suppose I plan to study quantum mechanics for a month. If I study a textbook chapter by chapter, I may get familiar with one or two chapters, which means I would become very well versed in certain aspects of quantum mechanics but have very poor knowledge on other aspects. For example, if the chapter I read is on angular momentum, I would be very good, say, in calculating Clebsch-Gordan coefficients, but have no idea on any approximation methods and perturbation theory. My point is Clebsch-Gordan coefficients are very technical and studying a textbook chapter by chapter (because of the way most textbooks are structured) would bring me too deep into one aspect at the expense of the overall big picture. I would rather gain an understanding of everything in less depth from wave-particle duality to hermitian operators to many-particle systems to EPR paradox.
 
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Happiness said:
I find standard undergraduate textbooks, such as Classical Mechanics by Goldstein, Poole and Safko, difficult to use for self study.
That's because it is a standard grad level textbook. Try An Intro to Mechanics by Kleppner/Kolenkow, or Classical Mechanics by Taylor.

But seriously, a textbook that covered everything from basic algebra to quantum mechanics would be as heavy as my granite countertop! I highly doubt such a book exists.
 
Mondayman said:
That's because it is a standard grad level textbook.

It's one of the recommended textbooks for MIT undergraduate classical-mechanics courses. I thought that means it's an undergraduate-level textbook. No?
 
That's at MIT. I'm sure there are other schools that recommend it as well. But it is most typically used at the graduate level.
 
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MIT is not a typical undergraduate institution. :oldwink:
 

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