Physics Homework: Solving Vectors in a Collision

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The problem involves a collision between a car and a truck, where the car has a mass of m kg and the truck has a mass of 4m kg. Both vehicles initially travel at the same velocity and collide at an angle alpha, after which they move off together at an angle theta. The discussion focuses on deriving relationships between the angles and velocities involved in the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss how to approach part c) of the problem, questioning whether substituting alpha = pi/2 directly into the equations is sufficient. There is also uncertainty about how to handle the unknown variable u when determining the minimum velocity and direction.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on how to substitute values into the equations. However, there remains a lack of consensus on how to find the minimum value of alpha and how to proceed with the unknowns in part c).

Contextual Notes

Participants note the presence of two unknowns, u and alpha, in the equations, which complicates the process of finding the minimum velocity and direction after the collision.

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Homework Statement



A car weighing m kg, and a truck, weighing 4m kg, collide at an angle of alpha. Initially they are traveling at the same velocity. After the collision they move off together at an angle of theta.

a) show that tan(theta) = (4 sin alpha) / (4 cos alpha + 1)

b) Show that if their initial velocity is u the velcoity that they move off at is
v = u/5 squareroot of (17+8 cos alpha)

c) Find the velocity and direction they move off at if alpha = pi/2. What value of alpha gives the minimum velocity?

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The Attempt at a Solution



Ive done a) and b). BUT for part c) do i just sub alpha=pi/2 into the equation to find v. But the u is unknown too...so what do i do?
 
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Yes, if you plug in alpha = pi / 2 that will give you the velocity that they move off at. The direction is given by the expression you had earlier.

For the minimum value... how do you calculate the minimum of a function? When you do the calculation, you can treat u as a constant.
 


okay...

i put pi/2 for alpha and got a v = square root of 17u/5. Is that right?

but how do i find the direction. You said The direction is given by the expression you had earlier. Do mean the direction is given by this expression: tan theta = 4 sin alpha / 4 cos alpha + 1 ??
 


i really need help for part c) becuase in the equation there is 2 unknowns --> u and alpha??
so i do i find the minimum value of alpha??
 


so how do i find the minimum value for alpha?
 

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