Physics major unable to get engineering internship

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics major's challenges in securing an engineering internship, particularly in aerospace or mechanical engineering. Participants explore various factors influencing the lack of responses to internship applications, including academic background, resume effectiveness, and the current job market conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) notes that they have applied to over 100 positions without receiving any interview invitations, suggesting potential reasons such as not being an engineering major and having only taken one engineering class.
  • Some participants suggest that the OP's resume may not be catching employers' attention, possibly due to a lack of relevant keywords or specific targeting of applications.
  • Others argue that networking and direct contact with hiring managers could improve the chances of securing an internship, rather than relying solely on mass applications.
  • There is a discussion about the importance of cover letters, with some participants indicating that they may not significantly impact the application process.
  • One participant mentions that many engineering internships are filled in the fall, raising concerns about the timing of the OP's applications.
  • Another participant counters that spring is also a viable time for internship recruiting, suggesting that it may not be too late for the OP to apply.
  • Concerns are raised about the OP's academic background and whether their lack of engineering coursework will hinder their chances, while some participants share experiences of physics majors successfully obtaining internships.
  • There is a mention of the competitive nature of the job market, particularly in the aerospace sector, and the impact of the economy on internship availability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the reasons for the OP's lack of responses, with no consensus on the primary factors at play. Some agree that the OP's academic background may be a barrier, while others believe that the timing of applications and the effectiveness of the resume are more critical issues. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for the OP moving forward.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the OP's lack of engineering coursework and projects, potential oversights in resume and cover letter submissions, and the varying timelines for internship recruitment across different companies.

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i'm in my 4th year in college, double majroing in physics and applied math and I've only taken 1 engineering class (i'm taking it currently). since I'm staying for a 5th year, I'm looking for an aerospace/mechanical engineering internship this summer. I've applied to over 100 different positions for companies and haven't gotten ANY replies for an interview

there could be multiple reasons:
1. I'm not an engineering major and have taken no engineering classes.
2, the economy is really that bad right now
3. i haven't submitted my cover letter for most of my applications
4. i haven't followed up on most of my applications

all the companies say to online, but they never say to whom or where to address my cover letter to

i'm thinking about just giving up on applying for internships. my engineering professor said the problem is that no companies want me since i haven't taken any engineering classes, except the one I'm currently taking. but I've heard of some physics majors getting hired without taking any engineering classes

also, will i even like mechE/aerospace if i didnt like fluid mechanics in my freshman calc-based physics class?
 
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I'm a little surprised that you wouldn't get any replies at all. I am a first year masters student in aerospace engineering with a B.S. in physics, and I've been invited to two interviews with local aerospace firms in the last few months. I was also contacted by a major defense contractor the other day about a possible summer internship in 2010. It's a long shot, but I'm encouraged that they're at least interested in my resume.

Lots of companies use electronic searches to sort through the resumes they receive. My guess is that your resume just didn't have much that caught their eye. Keep trying.
 
Brian_C said:
Lots of companies use electronic searches to sort through the resumes they receive. My guess is that your resume just didn't have much that caught their eye. Keep trying.
Most aero/mech are using computer systems for HR which searches for keywords.
I dare brian_c to resubmit ommiting aerospace masters in resume or just leaving masters degree. To OP if you are particular desperate you could put keywords into your resume even a set of them in the end just to have hits on your resume.
 
what exactly can i put?

the only engineering class I'm taking is Feedback and Control Systems

i might take fluid mechanics and heat transfer next semester though

are you sure its not reasons (3) or (4) in my 1st post?
 
You'll just have to keep applying to them...I'm assuming you applied to most, if not all, of the defense contractors? There are like a billion jobs a piece, so you'll just have to keep applying until you get lucky.
 
if i applied to over a HUNDRED positions, how is keep applying going to solve anything? there must be something wrong with my resume, or I'm not submitting the cover letter that's the problem?
 
cypherscouter said:
if i applied to over a HUNDRED positions, how is keep applying going to solve anything? there must be something wrong with my resume, or I'm not submitting the cover letter that's the problem?



If you keep applying, you increase your visibility...

I've applied to HUNDREDS of positions and finally managed to get one. You should write a cover letter if that's an option, but I wouldn't say it helps tremendously. You just have to realize that there's a huge number of applicants in your shoes trying to get a job as well.
 
I assume you've already talked to career services at your school and had them look over your resume?
 
You've applied to over 100 positions? At first I thought that was a typo, but later posts confirm it. And yet, you haven't bothered with a cover letter?

I think all of your points for not having heard back are valid. But to me it sounds like you're not really putting any effort into targeting anything specific. Did you research every one of those 100 positions? I think for an employer to take notice, especially for a competative position, you have to demonstrate that you aren't just handing in a form resume. Why should they hand you back anything, but a form letter?

My advice would be to spend time researching specific positions, find out who's in charge of hiring and contact them directly. Networking is what lands most positions, not mass emailing of a standard resume.

Also, it helps to use proper capitalization and grammar is just about everything you write. I'm not trying to be rude or pretentious in saying that. Potential employers actually look up people on the web these days.
 
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Choppy said:
My advice would be to spend time researching specific positions, find out who's in charge of hiring and contact them directly. Networking is what lands most positions, not mass emailing of a standard resume.
Thats not true at all places like northrop grumman, boeing, and lockheed receive an absurd amount of resumes do you honestly believe they read every single one of them. There is a reason the resume you submit for those companies is not only submitted in pdf/doc form but has to be submitted as a text. It is so that the people in HR can just type in keywords like senior blah blah blah and get hits from people who have had a similar position or could type in c++ Matlab Masters to find candidates. He should have someone with experience with jobs in aerospace look over it so that he knows to add keywords like SIMULINK if applicable or possible even if not. I agree he could also network which would probably would be his best bet because for most aerospace contractors the nepotism doesn't end at obtaining a defense contract.
Choppy said:
Also, it helps to use proper capitalization and grammar is just about everything you write. I'm not trying to be rude or pretentious in saying that. Potential employers actually look up people on the web these days.

I don't know who he is from his cypherscouter username do you or do you think an employer could figure it out with certainty?
 
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j93 said:
I don't know who he is from his cypherscouter username do you or do you think an employer could figure it out with certainty?

I don't think that's the risk. I think one risk is that there is a blog or something else tied to him where the English is...um...unconventional. The other risk is that practice doesn't make perfect, practice makes permanent. The more often one writes with incorrect spelling, grammar, diction, capitalization and/or punctuation, the more likely one is to do this on a document where one shouldn't.
 
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I talked with the chair of the engineering dept and she said that i'll be unlikely to get an internship at this point since most companies get interns in the fall and its already close to spring, so its too late

not to mention, I'm not an engineering major and have only taken 1 engineering class and have completed no engineering projects, and also the bad economy
 
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I don't believe it's necessarily too late as actually most engineering internship recruiting starts in the spring. It might be on the late side for applying but it's worth a shot.
 
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cypherscouter said:
I talked with the chair of the engineering dept and she said that i'll be unlikely to get an internship at this point since most companies get interns in the fall and its already close to spring, so its too late

not to mention, I'm not an engineering major and have only taken 1 engineering class and have completed no engineering projects, and also the bad economy

I'm from a town where a very large, well known heavy machinery manufacturer pretty much runs the show. We also have a small private university (where I attend) that has a good engineering program. No surprise, then, that many of our engineering students intern for either this corporation, or one of the many companies that supply them, be it in outsourced engineering, manufacturing, etc. Just about everyone I know in this town has lost their internship in the past two months, myself included.

Just saying, the economy is certainly making things difficult.
 
  • #15
j93 said:
Most aero/mech are using computer systems for HR which searches for keywords.
I dare brian_c to resubmit ommiting aerospace masters in resume or just leaving masters degree. To OP if you are particular desperate you could put keywords into your resume even a set of them in the end just to have hits on your resume.

I very much agree with this.
 

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