Physics Project involving ice, gases, and global warming

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around a physics project focused on the causes of global warming, specifically examining methane clathrates in the ocean. Participants explore the energy dynamics involved in melting ice and the implications of methane release on atmospheric temperatures.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a plan to calculate the energy required to melt ice using the formula q=mcΔT and seeks confirmation on the appropriateness of this approach.
  • Another participant questions whether the calculations will focus on energy transfer from the water to the ice.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about finding a heat transfer coefficient and mentions the use of 1 kg of methane clathrate for calculations due to its unknown global quantities.
  • One participant doubts the feasibility of accurately calculating the melting rate of clathrates due to the variability in ocean water conditions and other factors.
  • A request is made for an equation to calculate the energy absorbed and released by methane gas in the atmosphere, along with information on current greenhouse gas composition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of confidence in the calculations and the feasibility of the project, with some doubts about the ability to obtain conclusive data. No consensus is reached on the methods or equations to be used.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in obtaining precise measurements for ocean water, temperatures, and the size of clathrates, which may affect the calculations.

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Alright,
ASSIGNMENT
it is required of me to to the physics part in a group project where the topic is "causes of global warming". my group has chosen methane clathrates or methane hydrates if you like (in the ocean, not on land). The way these work is that it is methane gas that is trapped in water molecules that had turned into ice under the cold temperatures and pressures. as the temp of the Earth warms up, the water warms up as well and the rate at which the ice melts increases, releasing more gas, causing more temp increases, faster dissolving, and so on.

PROCESS
now what I am planning on doing is something along the lines of how much energy is required to melt the ice (q=mc delta T), how fast it takes to transfer that much energy from the water (im not so sure about which equation to use here), how much energy it takes to raise ocean water a degree (q=mc delta T). Then from there i plan to get the approximate percent composition of the atmosphere and demonstrate how an increased amount of methane will keep more energy trapped and not let it escape, thus warming the earth, through reflection of energy (im sure i have this formula somewhere, just to troublesome at the moment to find it). I believe that would be enough to demonstrate our point, so please, if someone can just tell me if what I am doing is correct (right formulas and what not) i would be extremely grateful.
Thank you in advance to anyone who even takes the time to read this over.

N.B. just for future reference, i was reading about q=ha delta T and something about heat transfer. so would i need to use this too?
 
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Are you planning on calculating how fast it takes to transfer energy FROM the water, or TO the water?
 
from water to the ice
i was reading about Newtons law of cooling or something like that, but i couldn't really find a heat transfer coefficient
also when it comes to calculations, my teacher said to use 1 kg of the methane clathrate since it is relatively unknown exactly how much of it there is around the world.
 
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to tell the truth, i don't think that it will be possible to effectively calculate the rate at which it melts and all that since it is impossible to get conclusive numbers on the amount ocean water, temperatures, size of the clathrates and other things.

instead, can anyone tell me if there is a certain equation i can use to calculate the amount of energy a gas (methane gas in this case) would absorb and release when it is in the atmosphere and the approx composition/amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere currently?

thank you.
 
Sorry, wish i could help you further. =(
 
its alright
ill just have to hope that the theory part of what it does will suffice for it

thanks for trying either way
 

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