Physics Project - Properties of a Tsunami

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics project focused on the properties of tsunamis, specifically examining a video presentation that simulates tsunami behavior. Participants critique the methodology and presentation while exploring the underlying physics concepts related to seismic disturbances and wave propagation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the validity of the simulation, arguing that pulling a large solid flap from the water does not accurately represent a disturbance originating from the ocean floor.
  • Concerns are raised about the simulation's representation of seismic disturbances, which typically radiate from a central point and are not confined to a specific pathway.
  • One participant notes that the initial energy of a seismic event follows the inverse square law, while another suggests that the power density of the expanding wave should follow a 1/r law due to its 2-D nature.
  • Several participants appreciate the visual presentation of the wave progress in slow motion, highlighting the relevance of displayed measurements.
  • Suggestions are made for potential improvements to the experiment, such as using a spring-loaded toy to simulate a smaller disturbance in the tank.
  • Participants inquire about the educational context of the project, specifically the grade level for which it was completed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express mixed views, with some agreeing on the issues present in the project while others appreciate certain aspects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the accuracy and effectiveness of the simulation in representing tsunami properties.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential oversimplifications in the simulation setup, lack of consideration for the curvature of the Earth's surface, and the effects of wave dissipation in two dimensions.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and educators interested in physics projects, tsunami dynamics, and wave propagation concepts may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello,

Here is a Physics Project I recently did on Tsunamis.

Let me know what you think:

http://www.vimeo.com/2878780

Thanks.
 
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I don't understand how pulling a large solid flap out of the water in any way resembles a disturbance isolated to the ocean floor. Furthermore, this simulated disturbance spans across the entire width of the tank. Does a seismic disturbace span the width of the ocean? Also, how did you compensate for the curvature of the Earth's surface, and dissipation due to spreading in 2 dimensions?
 
Welcome to PF, Shootingrubber.
Your presentation, visually, was both very impressive and very irritating. Too much with the cutesy text manipulation. I do recognize the talent that went into developing it, but that's not what someone wants to see in a technical video.
That having been said, Turin brought up a couple of key points. A seismic disturbance, which is the usual cause of a tsunami, is not a linear phenomenon. It radiates from a central location, and the waves are not confined to a particular pathway. The initial energy, therefore, obeys the inverse square law the same way that any other 3-dimensional activity does. (This would be for something like a depth-charge going off; I don't know how the dynamics are affected when the crust of the Earth is taking up a portion of that volume. There will be 'echoes' and secondary tremors.)
I suspect that this thread should be moved to the 'Other Sciences' sub-forum for Earth Science.
 
Danger said:
It radiates from a central location, and the waves are not confined to a particular pathway. The initial energy, therefore, obeys the inverse square law the same way that any other 3-dimensional activity does.
However, I expect the power density of the eventual expanding wave, being essentially a 2-D phenomenon, to obey the 1/r law rather than the 1/r^2 law. The power is essentially distributed over a circle, and so it must be distributed over a length of 2*pi*r, not an area of 4*pi*r^2.
 
As others have pointed out, there are definitely some problems. However, that having been said, there were also several things I liked about the video. In particular, I appreciated the fact that the wave progress was shown in slow motion, with the relevant measurements displayed.

Regarding the set up:
I realize that the project is done, but this might be something you can do for your own enjoyment. You know those toys that have a spring and a suction cup on the bottom? You know the type; he pushed down on the toy to compress the spring until the suction cup sticks to surface. After a while, the suction cup loses its seal in the spring causes the toy to pop up. Could you stick something like that to the bottom of your insert? It would be interesting to see what happens when a small part of the bottom of your tank suddenly raises by just a few inches (rather than being pulled completely up out of the water).

BTW; exactly what physics class was this project for?
 
LURCH said:
As others have pointed out, there are definitely some problems. However, that having been said, there were also several things I liked about the video. In particular, I appreciated the fact that the wave progress was shown in slow motion, with the relevant measurements displayed.

Regarding the set up:
I realize that the project is done, but this might be something you can do for your own enjoyment. You know those toys that have a spring and a suction cup on the bottom? You know the type; he pushed down on the toy to compress the spring until the suction cup sticks to surface. After a while, the suction cup loses its seal in the spring causes the toy to pop up. Could you stick something like that to the bottom of your insert? It would be interesting to see what happens when a small part of the bottom of your tank suddenly raises by just a few inches (rather than being pulled completely up out of the water).

BTW; exactly what physics class was this project for?

This was for my Grade 11 Physics class.

Thanks for your guys' comments. They are really appreciated.
 

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