Physics question - object released at equillibrium position of spring

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a ball attached to a spring, where the ball is released from the equilibrium position. Two methods were attempted to determine how far the ball falls before being stopped by the spring. The first method equates the gravitational force to the spring force, while the second method uses the conservation of energy principle. The second method, which yields a result twice as large as the first, is ultimately identified as the correct approach. The confusion arises from a misunderstanding of when the forces are in equilibrium, highlighting the importance of correctly applying physics principles.
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Hello everybody,

I am having a lot of trouble with the following question and would appreciate it if someone showed me the correct way to do it. Thanks in advance for your help! :)

Homework Statement


A 0.20 kg ball attached to a vertical spring (k = 28 N/M) is released from rest from the unstretched equilibrium position of the spring. Determine how far the ball falls, under negligible air resitance, before being brought to a momentary stop by the spring.

So,
m = 0.20 kg
k = 28 N/M
x = ?

Homework Equations


Fspring = kx
Fg = mg
EE = 1/2 kx^2
EG = mg (delta h)

The Attempt at a Solution


My friend and I both attempted to solve this problem. We used different methods and obtained different answers, but neither of us know which answer is right and why the other is wrong.

Here is the 1st way we did it:
When the ball is brought to a momentary stop, Fnet
= 0, so
Fg = Fspring
mg = kx
x = mg/k

And here is the 2nd way:
Since energy is conserved,
Ebefore
= Eafter

EG lost
= EE gained

mg(delta h) = 1/2 kx^2

delta h = x (since the ball falls the same distance that the spring stretches), therefore
mgx = 1/2 kx^2
x = 2mg/k

But this is twice as large as the solution obtained using the first method. Am I overlooking something in one of the methods? Which method is correct?

Again, thanks in advance!
 
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shadowysun said:
Here is the 1st way we did it:
When the ball is brought to a momentary stop, Fnet[/size] = 0, so
Fnet = 0 means that the acceleration is zero, not the speed.
 
x = mg/k is true only during stretched equilibrium position of the spring. Therefore 2nd method is correct.
 
Omg. I can't believe I made such a dumb mistake >_<. Thank you so much for your help!
 
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