PID algorithm for constant temperature controller.

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The discussion focuses on developing a PID algorithm for a heating controller, emphasizing the importance of time lag in the regulation process. Participants clarify that the PID formula involves proportional, integral, and derivative gains to manage the controller output effectively. There is confusion regarding whether to regulate the time when the relay is ON or OFF, with suggestions that both scenarios may require separate formulas. The conversation also touches on the distinction between linear control and on-off (Bang-Bang) control, indicating that the latter involves different mathematical approaches. Ultimately, it is advised to keep on-off intervals short relative to process time constants or to implement PWM in the controller output for better results.
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Hello.

I`m looking for help to write the coorect PID algorithm for heating controller.

For start in attachment I`m sending You the graph. If someone of You can help I could send some more informations.Greg.
 

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Any idea?
 
Just what do you mean by
gputowski said:
coorect PID algorithm
?

One PID algorithm is
Controller output = proportional gain P X error + integral gain I X ∫(error) + derivative gain D X d(error)/dt
 
The one thing you need to remember when trying to regulate a heating controller is the time lag through whatever you are trying to regulate. This lag can easily run into hours.
 
Slope of temperature curve during that first on-cycle should give a clue about process thermal capacity, and maybe that time lag mentioned by svein..
 
Thank You for the answer.

I know the formula for PID. But If You have seen my first drawing You should see that We are regulating the time when the relay is ON. We all supposed to regulate the time when the relay is OFF. Is it possible to make it by one formula or I will have to make two formula with time: first when the relay is ON second when the relay is OFF and make a loop.Greg
 

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gputowski said:
We are regulating the time when the relay is ON. We all supposed to regulate the time when the relay is OFF.
I'm not sure i understand that statement.
ONtime is (1-OFFtime).

You're mixing linear control with" on-off control" here, sometimes that's called "Bang-Bang control"
and the math of that is another world. I won't go there myself
From a quick search:
Here's a paper...
http://dimacs.rutgers.edu/Workshops/AIMS/slides/SLafrica4.pdf

and a couple references
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bang–bang_control
http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/datasheet/1041fa.pdf
http://liberzon.csl.illinois.edu/teaching/cvoc/node86.html

Your best bet is to keep your on-off intervals short compared to the process time constants and treat it as linear
or insert a PWM at your controller output.
 
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