Piston problem including force and work

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The problem involves calculating the work done by a gas in a cylinder with a given cross-sectional area and constant pressure. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the relationship between pressure, force, and work, and seeks clarification on thermodynamics concepts.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate work using pressure and area to find force, then applies that to find work. There are discussions about converting answers to different notations and clarifications on the relationship between pressure, volume, and work.

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Some participants provide guidance on the equations related to work and pressure, while others express confusion about the implications of constant pressure and volume changes. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the assumptions made in the calculations.

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There is mention of a lack of initial volume information, which may affect the assumptions about pressure changes during the process. The original poster also notes a challenging teaching approach that contributes to their confusion.

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The problem given says: A cylinder has a cross-sectional area of 0.02 m^2. How much work is done by a gas in the cylinder if the gas exerts a constant pressure of 7.8x10^5 Pa on the piston, moving it a distance of 0.06 m?



I figured I needed to find the work, but I didn't have the force.

So I tried the equation Pressure*Area=Force

Then to get work, I used the equation Force*distance=Work


For the force, I got 15600. I then plugged that into the second formula as force and got 936. I have a really strong feeling it's not correct. My answer choices are as followed: A. 6.5*10^2 J B. 9.4*10^2 J C. 6.5*10^8 J and D. 9.4*10^8 J

I'm really confused on this and would really appreciate the help. My teacher doesn't really teach us what we need to know. Just throws it up on the board, briefly talks about it and expects us to learn from that. So would someone also help me understand Thermodynamics? It would be greatly appreciated :]

Thank you in advance,
Jessica
 
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Change you answer to scientific notation or the 4 choices to standard notation.

A. 6.5×102 J B. 9.4×102 J C. 6.5×108 J and D. 9.4×108 J

Your answer is very close to one of them.
 
Wow! Thank you so much :]
 
Also: d(Work) = pressure*d(volume) ;)
 
gomunkul51 said:
Also: d(Work) = pressure*d(volume) ;)


What? Now I'm super confused O_o
 
jessiemay1993 said:
What? Now I'm super confused O_o
Don't be confused. It just arithmetic:

W = F \times \Delta d = (P \times A) \times \Delta d = P \times (A \times \Delta d) = P \times (\Delta V)

where \Delta V is the change in volume of the gas.

AM
 
@jessiemay1993: if you want to be confused, take Engineering Thermodynamics ;)

Andrew Mason <--- what he said ;)
 
what answer you got was with the assumption that the pressure remains constant. but actually it does not as the pressure and volume are inter related. but since you have no initial value of he volume the assumption may be correct.
 
what equation gomunkul51 has written is the same as yours when keeping pressure constant. its just written in a different way. so no need to be confused
 

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