Plane ride relative motion problem

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The problem involves calculating the speed of an airplane relative to the ground, given its velocity with respect to the air and the velocity of the air with respect to the ground. The subject area includes concepts of relative motion, vector decomposition, and trigonometry.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss breaking down the velocities into components and using trigonometric functions to resolve angles. There is uncertainty about the correct angles to use for vector decomposition and how to apply the Pythagorean theorem to find the resultant velocity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have attempted different methods to resolve the problem, with one noting a successful calculation of the resultant speed. There is ongoing exploration of the reasoning behind angle choices and the importance of visual aids like sketches in understanding vector components.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention confusion stemming from drawings and the need for clarity in vector representation. There is an acknowledgment of varying solutions found in other forums, indicating a common challenge with this type of problem.

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Homework Statement


You are traveling on an airplane. The velocity of the plane with respect to the air is 160 m/s due east. The velocity of the air with respect to the ground is 41 m/s at an angle of 30° west of due north.

1) What is the speed of the plane with respect to the ground?

Homework Equations


VAB=VAC+VBC
Pythagorean theorem
Trigonometry
(Not so sure about these)

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that VPG=VPA+VAG, but I'm not sure about how to break velocities into their components.
I kept VPA at 160 since it only moves in one dimension (only east), and I tried breaking up VAG as such:

41cos60i+41sin60j

(60 degrees since that is the angle formed when putting VAG tip to tail with VPA)

Added to VPA:
236.507 m/s

In searching various forums (this seems a common homework question), I've seen very different solutions than mine, so I know mine is wrong.

Thanks a lot
 
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OK so I tried using the complementary angle of 120, and then added the i (160 + 41cos120) and j (41sin60) components, then put each into the Pythagorean theorem

VPG=√(i-components2 + j-components2) = 143.9479, which is the right answer

I'm unsure as to why 120 was the right angle to use... o_O
 
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clydefrog said:
OK so I tried using the complementary angle of 120, and then added the i (160 + 41cos120) and j (41sin60) components, then put each into the Pythagorean theorem

VPG=√(i-components2 + j-components2) = 143.9479, which is the right answer

I'm unsure as to why 120 was the right angle to use... o_O
Always make a sketch. These are quite useful in showing how to decompose vectors into their components.

Remember,to decompose a vector into its unit vector components in i and j, due east represents a heading angle of 0 degrees.
 
Thanks, the confusion turned out to be coming from a bad drawing.
 

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