PLease help me - The Petrol engine and the first cars

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying scientific problems related to the first petrol engines and early automobiles from 1887 to 1912. Participants are exploring various aspects of these technologies and how they can be formulated into solvable problems for a physics assignment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help in formulating scientific problems related to early petrol engines and cars, emphasizing the need for problems suitable for inductive or deductive reasoning.
  • Several participants question the chronological development of petrol and petrol engines, with one asserting that petrol came first.
  • Another participant suggests focusing on specific engine systems, such as ignition systems, fuel systems, transmission, and engine internals, to explore historical challenges and solutions.
  • Thermodynamic and aerodynamic considerations are mentioned as potential areas of focus by one participant.
  • Discussion includes historical context, noting that steam engines preceded petrol engines and that fuel sources were readily available before the advent of petrol engines.
  • Specific technical questions are raised regarding early engine operation, including how engines were started, compression ratios, cooling methods, fuel delivery, and speed control.
  • A participant shares a resource link about technological advancements in early automobiles, highlighting various "firsts" in automotive technology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the historical development of petrol engines and the formulation of scientific problems. There is no consensus on specific problems to address, and multiple competing ideas and suggestions remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the scope of the problems they wish to explore, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the historical timeline of fuel and engine development.

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I'm working on a really important physics assignment and i am in deperate need of help!

I need to find some scientific problems with reference to the first petrol engine and the some of the first cars ever made (1887-1912). I have to present some problems which i am to solve later on.

The problems need to be formulated so that they can be solved by either the inductive or the deductive way.

Please guys I'm begging you! Please help me!
 
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Which came first petrol or the petrol engine?
 
Studiot said:
Which came first petrol or the petrol engine?

petrol...
 
I think that may have been a suggestion for your discussion, rather than just a question to be answered!

How about picking one of the key engine systems, looking at how they're currently addressed, and how these challenges were met "back in the day". For example, how did the ignition systems on early vehicles work? How did the fuel system work? What about transmission? Or the internals of the engine itself?
 
I was thinking about some thermodynamic and aerodynamic?
 
Steam engines came first and the fuel was just lying around.

Then came Diesel engines, then petrol engines.

My suggestion was indeed serious where did the fuel come from?

You have received some other good suggestions as well.

How was the engine started? Compression ratio?
How were they cooled?
How did the fuel get into the engine?
How was the speed controlled?
 
Here is a website that has "technology firsts" for mopars (Chrysler, Dodge, etc)

http://www.allpar.com/corporate/technology.html

some of the "firsts" are interesting
rubber mounts, steering wheel, hydraulic brakes

dr
 

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