Please help me understand this HO energy in He4 gas

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The discussion revolves around understanding the application of harmonic oscillator (HO) energy relations in the context of Helium-4 (He4) gas, specifically referencing a text on quantum field theory in statistical physics. Participants are examining the derivation and implications of the frequency relation for harmonic oscillators.

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  • Some participants propose that the author used the relation ##\omega^2 = \frac k m## for the frequency of a harmonic oscillator, with specific definitions for ##k## and ##m##.
  • One participant questions the correctness of this interpretation, suggesting that the notation used by the author may be misleading due to a missing division symbol.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the relationship between the total energy of a harmonic oscillator and the proposed frequency relation.
  • There is an acknowledgment of a potential misunderstanding, with one participant expressing appreciation for the elegance of another's explanation.

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Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are differing interpretations of the author's notation and the application of the harmonic oscillator energy relation.

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There are indications of missing assumptions regarding the notation and definitions used in the referenced text, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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The result of angular frequency deduced from Eq 1.8 is quite confusing to me. Can some one walk me through it please?

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It seems to me the author used the relation ##\omega^2 = \frac k m## for the frequency of an harmonic oscillator, where -in this case- ##k = \phi_p## and ##m = \frac 1 {\rho p^2}##.
 
dRic2 said:
It seems to me the author used the relation ##\omega^2 = \frac k m## for the frequency of an harmonic oscillator, where -in this case- ##k = \phi_p## and ##m = \frac 1 {\rho p^2}##.
No, I don’t think so
 
Why not ? It looks like the total energy of an HO... BTW I'm sorry but that's the only thing I could think of
 
dRic2 said:
Why not ? It looks like the total energy of an HO... BTW I'm sorry but that's the only thing I could think of
cuz in his notation (eq1.8) he has rho bar he forgot the divsion symbol. this is a book called qft in stat phys by A. Abrikosov btw. previously he mentioned in low temp He4 energy is proportional to momentum
 
Sorry, I'm not following. If you compare that equation with ##\frac 1 2 m \dot x ^2 + \frac 1 2 k x^2## it is straightforward to obtain ##\omega ^2 = \frac k m##
 
ah you are right my apologies for being pretentious, your way is a pretty elegant solution
 
dRic2 said:
Sorry, I'm not following. If you compare that equation with ##\frac 1 2 m \dot x ^2 + \frac 1 2 k x^2## it is straightforward to obtain ##\omega ^2 = \frac k m##
thank you
 
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