Please help me with this doubt about radiant heat transfer

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The discussion revolves around the net rate of heat transfer due to radiation, specifically the equation εσA(T^4 - To^4). Participants explore the relationship between the rates of emission and absorption of radiation, questioning the conditions under which the equation holds true and the implications of emissivity and absorptivity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the equation εσA(T^4 - To^4) and its derivation from the rates of emission and absorption, suggesting that the net rate of heat transfer should be εσAT^4 - aσATo^4.
  • It is noted that a body is in thermal equilibrium if T = To, and that emissivity (ε) and absorptivity (a) are related, particularly under Kirchhoff's Law.
  • Some participants mention that the Stefan-Boltzmann law applies to heat lost due to radiation from a hotter body to its surroundings, and that the temperatures used must be absolute temperatures.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions under which ε equals a, and how this affects the net heat transfer calculations.
  • One participant points out that if the surroundings are at a higher temperature than the body, the net power transferred could be negative, indicating a net gain of heat.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the equation or the conditions under which it applies. Multiple competing views remain regarding the relationship between emissivity and absorptivity, as well as the implications of the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted, such as the dependence on definitions of emissivity and absorptivity, and the need for specific conditions to be met for Kirchhoff's Law to apply. There is also mention of unresolved mathematical steps in deriving the net heat transfer equation.

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My textbook says that net rate of heat transfer due to radiation is εσA(T^4-To^4) but i couldn't understand it.
Rate of emission is εσAT^4 and rate of absorption is aσATo^4 so net rate of heat transfer must be εσAT^4-aσATo^4(where T is the temperature of body and To is the temperature of surroundings).it is possible only if a=e which means body is in thermal equilbrium.But that is not always the case.please help
 
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ajaysabarish said:
My textbook says that net rate of heat transfer due to radiation is εσA(T^4-To^4) but i couldn't understand it.
Rate of emission is εσAT^4 and rate of absorption is aσATo^4 so net rate of heat transfer must be εσAT^4-aσATo^4,it is possible only if a=e which means body is in thermal equilbrium.But that is not always the case.please help
One "T" is the temperature of the object and the other "T" is the temperature of the surroundings.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/stefan.html
 
ajaysabarish said:
My textbook says that net rate of heat transfer due to radiation is εσA(T^4-To^4) but i couldn't understand it.
Rate of emission is εσAT^4 and rate of absorption is aσATo^4 so net rate of heat transfer must be εσAT^4-aσATo^4,it is possible only if a=e which means body is in thermal equilbrium.But that is not always the case.please help
A body is in thermal equilibrium if and only if T = To. The factor ε (and probably a) is called the emissivity of the object.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan–Boltzmann_law

The emissivity of a body is dependent on, among other things, the wavelength of the radiation emitted.
 
SteamKing said:
A body is in thermal equilibrium if and only if T = To. The factor ε (and probably a) is called the emissivity of the object.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan–Boltzmann_law

The emissivity of a body is dependent on, among other things, the wavelength of the radiation emitted.
yes sir,but what is the net rate of heat transfer?
 
ajaysabarish said:
sir,that is indeed my question and that website only gives the equation but doesn't explain it.
Well, what exactly do you need explained?
 
SteamKing said:
Well, what exactly do you need explained?
sir,net power of radiation is given to be εσA(T^4-To^4),but shouldn't it be power emitted - power absorbed?
power emitted is equal to εσAT^4 and power absorbed is equal to aσATo^4,so net power transferred must be equal to εσAT^4-aσATo^4,but why is it εσAT^4-εσATo^4(a is changed to ε).
where ε is the emissivity,a is the absorption coefficient,T is the temperature of body and To is the temperature of surroundings.
i need this to be explained sir.
 
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ajaysabarish said:
sir,net power of radiation is given to be εσA(T^4-To^4),but shouldn't it be power emitted - power absorbed?
power emitted is equal to εσAT^4 and power absorbed is equal to aσATo^4,so net power transferred must be equal to εσAT^4-aσATo^4,but why is it εσAT^4-εσATo^4(a is changed to ε).
where ε is the emissivity,a is the absorption coefficient,T is the temperature of body and To is the temperature of surroundings.
i need this to be explained sir.
All the Stefan-Boltzmann law governs is the heat lost due to radiation from one body which is hotter than its surroundings.

If you want to find out about heat absorbed by other bodies, then you have to measure the temperature of each of these absorbing bodies and estimate their emissivities and areas of absorption.

There is a corollary to the Stefan-Boltzmann law called Kirchhoff's Law, which governs radiative heat transfer by "real" bodies.

Kirchhoff's Law implies that for certain bodies, ε = α, or a body which radiates heat readily can also absorb heat just as easily. Of course, there are certain conditions which must be met, as described here:

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node135.html

The temperatures used in the Stefan-Boltzmann law are absolute temperatures.

If the temperature of the surroundings of a body were at absolute zero, then P = εσAT4, but the surroundings are usually at some other temperature To, so the net heat loss by radiation is
P = εσA(T4 - To4).

If To should happen to be greater than T, then there will be a net gain of heat by the body, and P will be negative.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/stefan.html
 
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SteamKing said:
All the Stefan-Boltzmann law governs is the heat lost due to radiation from one body which is hotter than its surroundings.

If you want to find out about heat absorbed by other bodies, then you have to measure the temperature of each of these absorbing bodies and estimate their emissivities and areas of absorption.

There is a corollary to the Stefan-Boltzmann law called Kirchhoff's Law, which governs radiative heat transfer by "real" bodies.

Kirchhoff's Law implies that for certain bodies, ε = α, or a body which radiates heat readily can also absorb heat just as easily. Of course, there are certain conditions which must be met, as described here:

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node135.html

The temperatures used in the Stefan-Boltzmann law are absolute temperatures.

If the temperature of the surroundings of a body were at absolute zero, then P = εσAT4, but the surroundings are usually at some other temperature To, so the net heat loss by radiation is
P = εσA(T4 - To4).

If To should happen to be greater than T, then there will be a net gain of heat by the body, and P will be negative.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/stefan.html
doubt cleared thank you very much sir
 

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