Please review my proof of Cauchy inequality

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a proof of the Cauchy inequality, specifically focusing on the conditions for equality. The original poster expresses a desire for feedback on their proof before presenting it to their professor.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants analyze the proof structure, questioning the validity of the limit process and the use of mathematical induction. They highlight potential circular reasoning and the lack of a rigorous base case proof.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided critical feedback on the proof, pointing out logical gaps and assumptions that need addressing. The original poster acknowledges the feedback and reflects on the issues raised, indicating an ongoing exploration of the proof's validity.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the inductive step and base case in the context of mathematical induction, with participants noting that these elements were not adequately demonstrated in the original proof.

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Homework Statement


I'm actually only concerned here with proving equality. I would like some review of my proof before I crawl back to my professor again with what I think is a valid proof.

The Attempt at a Solution


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[tex]\frac{x_1+x_2+...+x_n}{n}=\sqrt[n]{x_1x_2\cdots x_n} \Leftrightarrow x_1=x_2=\dots=x_n[/tex]

Given:
[tex]\frac{x_1+x_2}{2}=\sqrt{x_1x_2} \Leftrightarrow x_1=x_2[/tex]

Assume it is true for [itex]n=k[/itex]
That is, assume:

[tex]\frac{x_1+x_2+...+x_k}{k}=\sqrt[k]{x_1x_2\cdots x_k} \Leftrightarrow x_1=x_2=\dots=x_k[/tex]

for [itex]n=k+1[/itex] we have:
[tex]\frac{x_1+x_2+...+x_k+x_{k+1}}{k+1}=\sqrt[k+1]{x_1x_2\cdots x_kx_{k+1}}[/tex]
Because of the assumption for [itex]k[/itex], we can write:
[tex]\frac{kx_k+x_{k+1}}{k+1}=\sqrt[k+1]{x_k^kx_{k+1}}[/tex]
let [itex]x_k-x_{k+1}=\delta[/itex]
now we can replace [itex]x_k[/itex] by [itex](x_{k+1}+\delta)[/itex] on one side and [itex]x_{k+1}[/itex] by [itex](x_k-\delta)[/itex] on the other:
[tex]\frac{kx_k+x_k-\delta}{k+1}=\sqrt[k+1]{(x_{k+1}+\delta)^kx_{k+1}}[/tex]

[tex]\lim_{\delta \rightarrow 0} \frac{kx_k+x_k-\delta}{k+1}=\lim_{\delta \rightarrow 0} \sqrt[k+1]{(x_{k+1}+\delta)^kx_{k+1}}[/tex]
[tex] \frac{(k+1)x_k}{k+1}=\sqrt[k+1]{(x_{k+1})^kx_{k+1}}[/tex]
[tex]x_k=x_{k+1}[/tex]
Thus, equality holds iff [itex]x_1=x_2=\dots =x_n=x_{n+1}[/itex]
By the Principle of Mathematical Induction, the proof is over.
 
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Hi ArcanaNoir! :smile:

I guess I can poke a couple of holes in it if you want me to.

When you take the limit of delta to 0, what you're actually saying is that delta is 0.
But that is what you have to prove!
So you've set up a circular proof.

Btw, the fact that you didn't use the inductive step is a dead give away.

Furthermore you did not proof the base case, but just assumed it was given.
 
I like Serena said:
When you take the limit of delta to 0, what you're actually saying is that delta is 0.
But that is what you have to prove!
So you've set up a circular proof.
Oh bother, I see what you mean.

Btw, the fact that you didn't use the inductive step is a dead give away.
what do you mean here?

Furthermore you did not proof the base case, but just assumed it was given.
I've proven the base case a hundred times this week. I suppose I should prove it the same way I prove the k+1 case though, right? Right.

Thanks for pointing out the circular logic! :)
 
ArcanaNoir said:
what do you mean here?

The inductive step contains a k-root that you assume, and which you would have to use to proof the expression with the (k+1)-root.
That's what full induction is about.
As it is you don't use the k-root.
 
*sigh* another epic fail. Cauchy=4 me=0.5
 
I'm afraid I have another hole for you, if you're still interested.

You use the induction assumption for the k-case to conclude that the xi are equal, and then you substitute that in the (k+1) case. But you can't do that, because you don't know that the xi in the (k+1) case are the same as in the k-case.
Sorry.
 
Yeah, I reverted back to my other proof already. This one's pointless. I should have known it was nonsense when it came out all concise and visually appealing.
 

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