Pleease explain uniformity of B in circular loop ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the uniformity of the magnetic flux density (B) at the center of a circular current loop. Participants explore the characteristics of the magnetic field produced by the loop, comparing it to that of a long solenoid and discussing the implications of field variations in different directions.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the magnetic flux density is considered uniform at the center of the circular loop.
  • Another participant asserts that the magnetic field is not uniform and varies in all directions, noting that B is nearly uniform at the center of a long solenoid.
  • Some participants discuss the behavior of the magnetic field around the circumference of the loop, suggesting that the contributions from opposite sides tend to cancel each other out, resulting in a smooth field near the axis.
  • References to external resources are provided to illustrate the magnetic field of a current loop, including specific conditions for analysis.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the textbook's description of uniformity and seeks clarification on the conditions under which B is nearly uniform in a solenoid.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Helmholtz coils as a means to achieve a more uniform magnetic field in a 3D volume.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the uniformity of the magnetic field at the center of the circular loop, with multiple competing views presented regarding its characteristics and comparison to other configurations like solenoids.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the conditions under which uniformity is assessed, as well as the dependence on the specific geometry of the magnetic field sources.

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Why is the magnetic flux density uniform at the center of the circular loop ?
 
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It is not uniform. It varies in all directions. B is nearly uniform in the center of a long solenoid.
 
Magnetic field of a current loop:

http://www.netdenizen.com/emagnettest/offaxis/?offaxisloop

For points in the plane of the loop, set x=0 and consider only Bx; Br=0.
 
As you move towards one part of the circumference you are moving away from another at 180° to the first. The rise from one tends to cancel the fall from the other, so the field is remarkably smooth and gently curved near the axis.
 
Meir Achuz said:
It is not uniform. It varies in all directions. B is nearly uniform in the center of a long solenoid.

Thank you so much for you help , so its not uniform ... My textbook is really mistaken about almost everything >.< but what can I do ... You said that its nearly uniform at the center of the solenoid , so its not completely ? How so ?
 
jtbell said:
Magnetic field of a current loop:

http://www.netdenizen.com/emagnettest/offaxis/?offaxisloop

For points in the plane of the loop, set x=0 and consider only Bx; Br=0.

thank you so much , that was really helpful !
 
Baluncore said:
As you move towards one part of the circumference you are moving away from another at 180° to the first. The rise from one tends to cancel the fall from the other, so the field is remarkably smooth and gently curved near the axis.

Thank you so much , your simplified explanation was extremely helpful , thank you sincerely !
 
The attached screen dump shows two things. Firstly a circular loop of short filamentary segments, and secondly the B field measured across the circle, but very slightly offset from the plane of the circle which reduces the extreme peaks close to filaments.

If you want a 3D volume of reasonably uniform magnetic field you can use two plane loops in an arrangement called a Helmholtz coil. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_coil
 

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Baluncore said:
The attached screen dump shows two things. Firstly a circular loop of short filamentary segments, and secondly the B field measured across the circle, but very slightly offset from the plane of the circle which reduces the extreme peaks close to filaments.

If you want a 3D volume of reasonably uniform magnetic field you can use two plane loops in an arrangement called a Helmholtz coil. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_coil


Thanks ، I think I understand now , thank you so much for the Helmholtz example ,realky helped
 

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