Poincare-representation of majorana spinor

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The discussion revolves around the classification of Majorana spinors within the framework of the Poincare group representations, particularly in relation to Weyl and Dirac spinors. Participants explore the implications of these representations in theoretical physics, touching on concepts of charge conjugation and the nature of real versus complex representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions where Majorana spinors fit within the Poincare group representations, suggesting a connection to the real part of the (0,1/2)+(1/2,0) representation.
  • Another participant proposes that a Majorana spinor can be identified as (0,1/2) but raises concerns about the distinction between Weyl and Majorana spinors, emphasizing that Majorana spinors are real representations.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that a Majorana spinor is special because it equates the (1/2,0) and (0,1/2) fields, leading to the conclusion that a Majorana spinor is its own charge conjugate.
  • One participant mentions the relationship between the adjoint operation and Majorana representations, proposing a condition for identifying a Majorana spinor mathematically.
  • References to various textbooks are provided as potential sources for further reading on the topic.

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Participants express differing views on the classification and properties of Majorana spinors, with no consensus reached on their exact representation within the Poincare group. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise mathematical expression and implications of these representations.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of representations, the nature of charge conjugation, and the mathematical formalism needed to express the properties of Majorana spinors clearly.

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Hi,
one labels the Weyl- and Vector-representations of the Poincare group by (0,1/2), (1/2,0), (1/2,1/2) etc., where does the Majorana spinor fit into this?
Or can you say it belongs somehow to the real part of the (0,1/2)+(1/2,0) rep, although this sounds pretty unfamiliar.

Thanks for every response.
torus
 
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torus said:
Hi,
one labels the Weyl- and Vector-representations of the Poincare group by (0,1/2), (1/2,0), (1/2,1/2) etc., where does the Majorana spinor fit into this?
Or can you say it belongs somehow to the real part of the (0,1/2)+(1/2,0) rep, although this sounds pretty unfamiliar.

Thanks for every response.
torus

I think you can say that a Majorana spinor is (0,1/2).

As for saying that it belongs to the real part of (0,1/2)+(1/2,0), I guess you can say that, if by real part you mean charge conjugation which turns (0,1/2) to (1/2,0) and vice versa (i.e., swaps chirality).
 
Thanks for your response!
RedX said:
I think you can say that a Majorana spinor is (0,1/2).

Isn't (0,1/2) the Weyl spinor, I don't think they are quite the same, since the Majorana is supposed to be a real representation, it can't be in the complex (0,1/2).
One text I read sort of implied that you could get the Majorana by a unitary transformation of (0,1/2)+(1/2,0), but I've never seen that.
unfortunately I can't seem to find a paper or book about this, so any literature would be greatly appreciated.
 
SO(N) has only real representations (the generators are antisymmetric and Hermitian), but maybe this doesn't include spinors?

A Dirac 4-component spinor is in the representation (1/2,0)+(0,1/2). You can call the fields [tex](\xi , \eta^{\dagger})[/tex] where the dagger indicates (0,1/2).

A Majorana spinor is special because the (1/2,0) and the (0,1/2) are the same field, so you'd call the 4-component spinor [tex](\xi , \xi^{\dagger})[/tex].

In other words a Dirac spinor is two Weyl fields, and a Majorana spinor is only one Weyl field.

So you can say in a sense that if you swap the the position of the two fields, a Majorana spinor is the same, while a Dirac isn't:

[tex](\xi , \eta^{\dagger})[/tex] ---> [tex](\eta , \xi^{\dagger})[/tex][tex](\xi , \xi^{\dagger})[/tex] ---> [tex](\xi , \xi^{\dagger})[/tex]

So the bottom line is the only one that's the same under swap of fields. Swap of fields is done by charge conjugation operation, so a Majorana spinor is its own charge conjugate. I'm not sure about the terminology of real as applied to spinor representations of SO(4), but this is one way to specify the difference between Majorana and Dirac spinors.
 
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Yes, I'm aware of that, I was just wondering how to express this through the usual representation-notation.
 
Well, call a spinor representation of SO(4) the letter 'R'. Then [tex]R^{\dagger}=R[/tex] is the condition for Majorana spinor? The adjoint operation swaps SU(2)s. If you swap SU(2)s and it's the same representation, then that's a Majorana representation?

I don't know how to express it mathematically, but if I was asked on an exam, that's what I'd put.
 
This is discussed in various places, including (IIRC) the textbooks by Weinberg, Polchinski, and Brown.
 
Thanks, I'll try to get a hold of those books.
 

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