Pointwise v. uniform convergence

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The discussion revolves around the convergence properties of a sequence of functions defined on the interval [0,1], specifically examining pointwise and uniform convergence, as well as the interchange of limits and integrals. The original poster presents a problem from a practice math exam regarding the functions f_n(x) = x^n / (1 + x^n) and their behavior as n approaches infinity.

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  • Participants explore the pointwise convergence of the sequence, questioning the implications of the limit function's discontinuity on uniform convergence. There are inquiries about the conditions under which the interchange of limits and integrals is valid, and participants discuss strategies for proving the convergence of integrals.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of uniform convergence and the behavior of the integrals involved. Some participants suggest methods for bounding integrals and making them small, while others question the validity of certain inequalities and seek clarification on their reasoning.

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(Problem 64 from practice math subject GRE exam:) For each positive integer n, let f_n be the function defined on the interval [0,1] by f_n(x)=\frac{x^n}{1+x^n}. Which of the following statements are true?
I. The sequence \{f_n\} converges pointwise on [0,1] to a limit function f.
II. The sequence \{f_n\} converges uniformly on [0,1] to a limit function f.
III. \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\int_0^1f_n(x)dx=\int_0^1\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}f_n(x)dx

I believe the sequence does converge pointwise since f_n(x)\rightarrow0 when for x\in\[0,1) and f_n(1)=\frac{1}{2} for all n. So the sequence converges to the function f(x)=0 for x < 1 and f(x)=1/2 for x=1.

I'm not too familiar with uniform convergence - looked it up online. Is it enough to say that the sequence does not converge uniformly because the limit function f is discontinuous?

I don't know how to prove the last one ... it seems quite obvious to me (that you could interchange order of the limit and the integral). In what situations would this not be allowed and how can I check if, in this specific case, I can?

Thanks!
 
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f_n->f uniformly if for every epsilon there is an N such that n>N -> |f_n-f|<epsilon. Since you know f_n(1)=1/2 and f_n(x)->0 for x<1 it should be pretty clear you are in trouble if epsilon<1/2. In this specific case, you know the integral of the limit is zero, right? To show the integral of f_n goes to zero split the integral up into the range [0,1-epsilon] and [1-epsilon,1]. Can you show the integral over the first part can be made arbitrarily small because f_n gets small? And for the second because epsilon can be made small and f_n is bounded?
 
Dick said:
f_n->f uniformly if for every epsilon there is an N such that n>N -> |f_n-f|<epsilon.

Is this inequality supposed to hold for every x (in the set on which f_n converges uniformly)?

Dick said:
In this specific case, you know the integral of the limit is zero, right

Yup.

Dick said:
To show the integral of f_n goes to zero split the integral up into the range [0,1-epsilon] and [1-epsilon,1]. Can you show the integral over the first part can be made arbitrarily small because f_n gets small? And for the second because epsilon can be made small and f_n is bounded?

\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\int_0^1\frac{x^n}{1+x^n}dx=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\int_0^{1-\epsilon}\frac{x^n}{1+x^n}dx+\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\int_{1-\epsilon}^1\frac{x^n}{1+x^n}dx

Then we use the fact that \frac{x^n}{1+x^n}\leq x^n for any x in [0,1). So then the inequality would still hold for the integrals on [0, 1 -\epsilon]. Now, it seems somewhat intuitive that the integral of \frac{1}{x^n} goes to 0, but I get stuck trying to prove it:

I picked a \delta&gt;0 and then I need to find a N\in\mathbb{N} such that the integral is less than delta for any n > N. ...Which means:

\frac{(1-\epsilon)^{n+1}}{n+1}&lt;\delta

I'm not sure how to work with that expression.

(For the second integral, I know that f_n(x)<1 for any n and x (thus it is bounded). Then for any choice of positive delta, I can take epsilon to be half of delta. Then we have \int_{1-\epsilon}^1\frac{x^n}{1+x^n}dx\leq\int_{1-\epsilon}^11dx=\epsilon=\frac{\delta}{2}&lt;\delta.)

Thanks!
 
Aha, I changed my mind.

\frac{(1-\epsilon)^{n+1}}{n+1}&lt;(1-\epsilon)^{n+1}&lt;(1-\epsilon)^n&lt;\delta

Which holds iff n&gt;\frac{\ln{\delta}}{\ln{(1-\epsilon)}}.

Yes?
 
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Make the second integral small just by picking a small enough epsilon. Since 1-epsilon<1, you can make (1-epsilon)^(n+1)/(n+1) as small as you want by picking n large enough.
 
jjou said:
Aha, I changed my mind.

\frac{(1-\epsilon)^{n+1}}{n+1}&lt;(1-\epsilon)^{n+1}&lt;(1-\epsilon)^n&lt;\delta
EDIT: I don't know why the tex graphic won't load... :(
(1-eps)^(n+1)
--------------- < (1-eps)^(n+1) < (1-eps)^n < delta
(n+1)

Which holds iff n&gt;\frac{\delta}{\ln{(1-\epsilon)}}.

Yes?

Not really. But I think you have the right general idea.
 
Ah, I dropped a "ln" in the numerator in that last inequality - have since changed it. Is it right now?

n&gt;\frac{\ln{\delta}}{\ln{(1-\epsilon)}}

Or is something else off?
 
If you want to make life a little simpler, the first integral is also bounded by (1-epsilon)^n isn't it? That's the max of the function on [0,1-epsilon].
 
jjou said:
Ah, I dropped a "ln" in the numerator in that last inequality - have since changed it. Is it right now?

n&gt;\frac{\ln{\delta}}{\ln{(1-\epsilon)}}

Or is something else off?

That's it.
 
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Easier method:
Since delta > 0, there exists some natural number N which satisfies 1/N < delta. Then

\frac{(1-\epsilon)^{n+1}}{n+1}&lt;\frac{(1-\epsilon)^n}{n}&lt;\frac{1}{n}&lt;\frac{1}{N}&lt;\delta

Thanks so much! :)
 
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Uh, wait. You increased the numerator on the second step. Try (1-e)^(n+1)/(n+1)<1/(n+1). You can make any number of horrid approximations and it still works. You're welcome.
 
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