Polar Coordinate Area between two curves

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The problem involves finding the area enclosed by the polar curves \( r = \sqrt{3} \cos(\theta) \) and \( r = \sin(\theta) \). Participants are discussing the setup for calculating this area using integration techniques appropriate for polar coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up the area calculation by identifying the points of intersection and determining the intervals for integration. Some participants suggest visualizing the curves to better understand the area between them. Others discuss the limits of integration and the reasoning behind them.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some expressing confusion about the setup and limits of integration. There is a recognition of the importance of visualizing the curves, and some have clarified their understanding of the integration intervals based on the geometry of the curves.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the curves being circles and their intersections, which are relevant to the area calculation. Some participants question the reasoning behind specific limits of integration, indicating a need for further clarification on the geometric interpretation of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Find the area enclosed by the curves:
[tex]r=\sqrt(3)cos(\theta)[/tex]
and
[tex]r=sin(\theta)[/tex]

Homework Equations


The area between two polar curves is given by:
[tex]A=(1/2)\int{R^2 - r^2dr}[/tex] where R is the larger function and r is the smaller function over an interval.

The Attempt at a Solution


I set:
[tex]\sqrt{3}cos(\theta)=sin(\theta)[/tex]
[tex]\sqrt(3)=tan(\theta)[/tex]
[tex]\theta=\pi/3,4\pi/3[/tex]

Graphically, I can see that when [tex]0<\theta<\pi/3[/tex] or [tex]4\pi/3<\theta<\pi[/tex] that [tex]sin(\theta)<\sqrt{3}cos(\theta)[/tex]
and when [tex]\pi/2<\theta<4\pi/3[/tex], [tex]\sqrt{3}cos(\theta)<sin(\theta)[/tex]
So it follows that I will have:
[tex]A=(1/2)\int(0,\pi/3){3cos^2(\theta)-sin^(\theta)d\theta+(1/2)\int(\pi/3,4\pi/3){sin^(\theta)-3cos^2(\theta)d\theta+(1/2)\int(4\pi/3,2\pi){3cos^2(\theta)-sin^(\theta)d\theta[/tex]
The numbers separated by commas inside the parenthesis are the limits of integration. Sorry I'm new at this.

I'm just wondering if this is the right way to set it up for a question like this.
 
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What you have isn't even close to what you need to do. The first thing you need to do is draw a polar coordinate picture of your two curves and identify visually what area is between the curves. Do you know what the graphs look like?
 
Ok, I realize my foolish mistake. So it appears to be two circles, with intersections at (√(3)/2, ∏/3) and the pole. I guess what I do now is integrate once from 0 to ∏/3 using r = sin(θ), and add another integral from ∏/3 to ∏/2 using r = √(3)cos(θ).

So what I'll have is:
[tex]\frac{1}{2}\int_0^\frac{\pi}{3} sin^2(\theta) \,d\theta + \frac{1}{2}\int_\frac{\pi}{3}^\frac{\pi}{2} 3cos^2(\theta) \,d\theta[/tex]

I hope this is correct?
 
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cryora said:
Ok, I realize my foolish mistake. So it appears to be two circles, with intersections at (√(3)/2, ∏/3) and the pole. I guess what I do now is integrate once from 0 to ∏/3 using r = sin(θ), and add another integral from ∏/3 to ∏/2 using r = √(3)cos(θ).

So what I'll have is:
[tex]\frac{1}{2}\int_0^\frac{\pi}{3} sin^2(\theta) \,d\theta + \frac{1}{2}\int_\frac{\pi}{3}^\frac{\pi}{2} 3cos^2(\theta) \,d\theta[/tex]

I hope this is correct?

Much better. Amazing how a picture helps, eh?
 
I am actually confused by this question

[PLAIN]http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3046/unledze.jpg

For his second integral

[tex]\frac{1}{2}\int_\frac{\pi}{3}^\frac{\pi}{2} 3cos^2(\theta) \,d\theta[/tex]

Why is it from pi/3 to pi/2? I don't see it.
 
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flyingpig said:
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Why is it from pi/3 to pi/2? I don't see it.
Because the larger circle is tangent to the y-axis .
 
Oh okay never mind i see it. pi/3 to pi/2 sweeps half of the loop and from 0 to pi/3 sweeps the other half
 

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