Polar integral

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The discussion revolves around a polar integral related to finding the volume of a solid formed by the intersection of a cylinder and a sphere. The original poster is experiencing compilation issues at the limits of integration, specifically at -π/2 and π/2, and is questioning the implications of the square root of sin²(t) at these points.

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  • Participants are examining the original poster's integral setup and questioning the presence of a constant factor in the integral. There are discussions about the interpretation of the limits of integration and the nature of the integrand, particularly regarding the behavior of sin²(t) and its implications for the volume calculation.

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Several participants have provided clarifications and suggestions for improving the clarity of the original poster's mathematical expressions. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions made in the problem setup, particularly concerning the integration limits and the nature of the integrand. The discussion remains open with no explicit consensus reached.

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There are mentions of the original poster's work being difficult to follow, and participants have suggested using LaTeX for clarity. Additionally, there is a note about the original poster potentially not being active in the discussion anymore.

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TL;DR: I'm still debating on why exactly this is not compiling on -pi/2, pi/2. It has been suggested in other post that the square root of sin^2(t) on -pi/2 is to blame. However it looks to me that the polar equation can only exist at -pi/2 on second iteration causing some type of mysterious error.

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Hi,
may I remind you of the

Homework Help Guidelines for Students and Helpers

and ask for a few clarifications ?

I spent some time finding your problem in my son's copy of
Stewart 5th ed Ch 15.8 exercise 14:

(a) Find the volume of the solid that the cylinder ##r=a\cos\theta## cuts out of the sphere of radius ##a## centered at the origin.
(b) Illustrate the solid of part (a) by graphing the sphere and the cylinder on the same screen.

Potential helpers have to guess what you are doing and with what tool you run into your 'mysterious error'. Please help us help you !

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aronclark1017 said:
It has been suggested in other post that the square root of sin^2(t) on -pi/2 is to blame.
How so? ##\sin^2(t) \ge 0## for all real numbers t. In particular, ##\sin^2(-\pi/2) = 1##.
 
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In a more mathematical form that is easier to read, your first integral is:
$$2\int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2}\int_0^{a\cos(t)}\int_0^{a^2 - r^2}r~dzdrdt$$
Why do you have the constant 2 in front of the leftmost integral? The circle at the base of the cylinder is completely defined as t ranges from ##-\pi/2## to ##\pi/2##.

In addition, your work is extremely difficult to follow. It would be very helpful if you wrote your integrals and other mathematical stuff using LaTeX, similar to what I did above.
A few minutes studying our LaTeX Guide (the link is at the lower left) and applying what's there would probably cause more members to look at your posts.

Note that what I wrote is the following, in raw form:
2\int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2}\int_0^{a\cos(t)}\int_0^{a^2 - r^2}r~dzdrdt
 
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Mark44 said:
In a more mathematical form that is easier to read, your first integral is:
$$2\int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2}\int_0^{a\cos(t)}\int_0^{a^2 - r^2}r~dzdrdt$$
Why do you have the constant 2 in front of the leftmost integral? The circle at the base of the cylinder is completely defined as t ranges from ##-\pi/2## to ##\pi/2##.

Based on the sketch, it seems that ##\theta## is the angle of cylindrical polar coordinates, not spherical polar coordinates. I agree that the base of the cylinder is completely described by ##-\pi/2 \leq \theta \leq \pi/2##. The factor of 2 comes not from rotational symmetry about the origin (there isn't any) but from reflection in the plane ##z = 0##: we want the volume of intersection of the cylinder and the sphere, and that extends into negative ##z##.

The problem comes in line 6 of the OP's work which I interpret as $$\int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2} \left[ \tfrac23 u^{3/2}\right]_{a^2 \sin^2 \theta}^{a^2}\,d\theta = \frac{2a^3}3 \int_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2} 1 - \sqrt[3/2]{\sin^2\theta}\,d\theta.$$ where we end up with an integrand involving ##\sqrt[3/2]{\sin^2\theta}##. This is not ##\sin^3 \theta##, as the OP has assumed, but ##|\sin^3 \theta|## since ##\sin\theta## is negative for ##-\pi/2 \leq \theta \leq 0##. I suspect this is where the OP has gone astray, although I'm not sure since their working is hard to follow. However, by evenness of ##\sin^2 \theta## we should now be at the point $$
\frac{4a^3}3 \int_0^{\pi/2} 1 - \sin^3 \theta\,d\theta.$$

In addition, your work is extremely difficult to follow. It would be very helpful if you wrote your integrals and other mathematical stuff using LaTeX, similar to what I did above.

I concur.
 
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Can't help it ...

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looks as if you want to integrate $$\int\limits_{-\pi/2}^{\pi/2}\ \int\limits_0^{a\cos\theta} \int\limits_0^\sqrt{a^2-r^2} \ r\ dz\,dr\,d\theta $$ Well, copy/paste the ##\LaTeX## code to Wolframalpha (with a=1 out of pure ignorance) and sure enough:

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which is exactly one half of ##\frac 4 3 a^ 3\pi\left(\frac 1 2-\frac 2 {3\pi}\right ) ## or -- when typeset -- ##\frac 4 3 a^ 3\pi\left(\frac 1 2-\frac 2 {3\pi}\right ) ##

I'm impressed Wolfie expertly ignores the spacing I inserted for good measure...

Still curious about the tool you use ...

(where the graphics leave much to be desired ! Anyone who can suggest a freeware solids manipulation tool to visualize the intersection of a sphere and a cylinder ?)

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BvU said:
I'm impressed Wolfie expertly ignores the spacing I inserted for good measure...
Just want to point out that the full version of Mathematica can evaluate the triple integral symbolically for arbitrary positive ##a\,##:
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Any CAS which knows that for ##a \in \mathbb{R}##, ##(a^2)^{1/2} = |a|## should be able to get it right.
 
Please be advised that the OP here has "left the room."
 

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