Jano L.
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Dear DrDu,
can you explain why the distinction between bound and free charges has become obsolete with the introduction of quantum mechanics ? Do you agree that there is quite a distinction in the behavior of electric charges in say oil and copper?
Yes, only the "macroscopic averaging" is simply average of many dipoles, or expected average calculated from some assumed probability distribution. Charges move, but this is alright, it could not be simpler.
The example of polarization ambiguity on Wiki is flawed, since in (c) the grouping of charges left one charge on the edge ungrouped. The proper way is to group charges into neutral groups, so that their dipole moment is the first important term in expansion of their field - otherwise the electrostatic field due to ungrouped charges will be strong. The polarization has a good meaning for neutral medium composed of neutral constituents, provided that in the definition no charges are left unaccounted.
Also, the unfortunate mistake on wiki could arise only be because it is 1D chain of charges. Consider what would happen if one forgot to group first layer of cubic lattice of NaCl.
Polarization is defined based on dipole moment and it is supposed to give just that. It is not supposed to give you density of quadrupole moment or exact information on the electric field - there are other quantities to do that.
can you explain why the distinction between bound and free charges has become obsolete with the introduction of quantum mechanics ? Do you agree that there is quite a distinction in the behavior of electric charges in say oil and copper?
So you have to break down the molecule into neutral regions (with the boundaries of these regions being time dependent for non-static processes), determine their dipole moments and finally do a macroscopic averaging.
Yes, only the "macroscopic averaging" is simply average of many dipoles, or expected average calculated from some assumed probability distribution. Charges move, but this is alright, it could not be simpler.
The example of polarization ambiguity on Wiki is flawed, since in (c) the grouping of charges left one charge on the edge ungrouped. The proper way is to group charges into neutral groups, so that their dipole moment is the first important term in expansion of their field - otherwise the electrostatic field due to ungrouped charges will be strong. The polarization has a good meaning for neutral medium composed of neutral constituents, provided that in the definition no charges are left unaccounted.
Also, the unfortunate mistake on wiki could arise only be because it is 1D chain of charges. Consider what would happen if one forgot to group first layer of cubic lattice of NaCl.
Polarization is defined based on dipole moment and it is supposed to give just that. It is not supposed to give you density of quadrupole moment or exact information on the electric field - there are other quantities to do that.