Dielectric Polarization Components in Ideal RC and C circuits

In summary, the conversation discusses the theoretical implications of connecting an ideal discharged capacitor in parallel with an ideal voltage source with zero resistance in the loop. It is debated whether this would result in instantaneous charging of the capacitor and if there is a separate time component for the dielectric polarization. The concept of charging a capacitor as two separate mechanisms is also mentioned. Finally, the question of whether storing charge on a capacitor is synonymous with storing energy is raised.
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Hi, I would like to know what the theoretical implication is, as it pertains to RC circuits of the following hypothetical situation(s):

If one were to connected an ideal discharged capacitor in parallel with an ideal voltage source with zero resistance in the loop, the calculated RC time constant would be 0s.

1.) Does this imply instantaneous charging of the capacitor? If so, does it mean the dielectric also polarizes instantaneously. (discontinuity in the dipoles alignment trajectory)

2.) One can view the RC time constant as the time required to charge the capacitor, through the resistor, by ≈ 63.2 percent of the difference between the initial value and final value of voltage applied.

If the resistance were removed, there would still seems to be a "separate" and "independent" dielectric polarization time component that is not due to the restriction imposed by a series resistance. Is there a separate time constant (independent of RC) for the time it takes the dielectric to fully polarize or is there a better way to think about this?

Note: I tend to think of charging a capacitor as two separate superimposed mechanisms. The first by the charge action on the capacitor due to a restriction by a resistance R and governed by the resulting RC time constant. (Rate at which charge may accumulate)

The second by the polarization reaction of the E-field "in the dielectric" that opposes the E-field of the charge accumulation on the plates, and causes more charge to accumulate. (Rate at which the dielectric polarizes)

3.) Is storing charge on a capacitor synonymous with storing energy in the capacitor?

Please help me clarify any misbeliefs, superstitions, etc.. Thanks!
 
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Any takers? I haven't got any replies yet, wondering if I am missing any information or if what I have posted is not clear enough or too abstract. Feedback would be appreciated. Thanks again.
 
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This question is related to a thread on the EE forum

If you are including some characteristic of the dielectric then this is supplying the necessary series R to take the situation away from the ideal 'zero time constant' and the problems associated with that.
AS for Q3, Charge and energy are not the same things. E = QV. The energy is related to the PD as well as the charge imbalance.
 

1. What is dielectric polarization in ideal RC circuits?

Dielectric polarization refers to the separation of positive and negative charges within a dielectric material when placed in an electric field. In ideal RC circuits, this occurs when a capacitor is connected to a voltage source, causing the dielectric material between the capacitor plates to become polarized.

2. How does dielectric polarization affect the behavior of a capacitor in an ideal RC circuit?

Dielectric polarization increases the capacitance of a capacitor in an ideal RC circuit, allowing it to store more charge at a given voltage. This results in a slower charging and discharging process, as the dielectric material must first become polarized before the capacitor can fully charge or discharge.

3. What is the role of dielectric polarization in ideal C circuits?

In ideal C circuits, dielectric polarization is responsible for the formation of an electric field between the capacitor plates, which stores energy in the form of electrostatic potential energy. This energy can then be released when the capacitor is discharged.

4. How does the choice of dielectric material affect the behavior of an ideal RC circuit?

The choice of dielectric material can significantly impact the behavior of an ideal RC circuit. Materials with higher dielectric constants will have a greater effect on increasing capacitance, while materials with lower dielectric constants will have less of an impact. Additionally, the dielectric strength of the material will determine the maximum voltage that the capacitor can withstand before breaking down.

5. Can dielectric polarization be controlled in ideal RC and C circuits?

Yes, dielectric polarization can be controlled by selecting the appropriate dielectric material for a specific application. Additionally, the thickness of the dielectric material and the distance between the capacitor plates can also affect the degree of polarization. In some cases, an external electric field can also be used to control the polarization of the dielectric material.

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