Polarization of Electromagnetic Waves: A Quantum Perspective

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The discussion revolves around the polarization of electromagnetic (EM) waves, particularly focusing on the relationship between the electric and magnetic fields when an unpolarized wave passes through a polarizer. Participants explore both classical and quantum perspectives on how polarizers affect these fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to affect the magnetic field of an EM wave independently of the electric field when passing through a polarizer.
  • Another participant explains that the magnetic field is always perpendicular to the electric field and suggests that the conventional description of polarizers focuses on the electric field direction.
  • A participant expresses understanding that if the polarizer affects the electric field direction, the magnetic field must also be affected to maintain their perpendicular relationship.
  • One participant describes a classical view of EM waves being absorbed and re-emitted by electrons in a medium, emphasizing that the polarizer primarily affects the electric field while the magnetic field remains perpendicular and does not influence the absorption process.
  • There is a request for resources on the quantum mechanics of polarizers, indicating interest in a deeper exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between the electric and magnetic fields in the context of polarization, but there is no consensus on the implications of this relationship in quantum mechanics, and the discussion remains open-ended regarding the quantum perspective.

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The discussion includes classical and quantum interpretations of polarization, with some participants emphasizing the limitations of the classical picture and suggesting that quantum mechanics introduces more complexity. However, specific mathematical or theoretical details regarding the quantum approach remain unresolved.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in the physics of electromagnetic waves, particularly those exploring the concepts of polarization in both classical and quantum contexts.

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Imagine an unpolarized EM wave going into the z direction. Put a polarizer so that you linearly polarizes the EM wave. I know that the electric field direction of the wave will always be the same. But what about its magnetic field?
Is it possible to affect the magnetic field of an EM wave? Can a wave be polarized electrically and not magnetically, at the same time? Not sure these terms are making sense.
 
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hi fluidistic! :smile:

the magnetic field is always 90° from the electric field, and it goes through too

i know we always think of a polariser as a grating that only one direction of wave can slip past, but that's misleading: it's purely conventional to describe the direction of a polariser as the direction of the electric field that it let's through: we could equally well have the opposite (well, 90°-osite!) convention :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi fluidistic! :smile:

the magnetic field is always 90° from the electric field, and it goes through too

i know we always think of a polariser as a grating that only one direction of wave can slip past, but that's misleading: it's purely conventional to describe the direction of a polariser as the direction of the electric field that it let's through: we could equally well have the opposite (well, 90°-osite!) convention :wink:

Thanks I think I get it.
So if a polarizer affect the E field direction, so will the B field be affected in order to always stay perpendicular to it.
And yes, of course I understand the convention of the direction of a polarizer.
Thank you very much, doubt cleared. (By the way I just found in wikipedia the part
wikithegreat said:
Conventionally, when considering polarization, the electric field vector is described and the magnetic field is ignored since it is perpendicular to the electric field and proportional to it.
which is exactly what you mean.)
I'm happy.
 
You can think of EM wave as being absorbed and re-emitted at every point in space. Forget about vacuum for a moment, and think about EM wave traveling through some linear medium. Oscillating electric field causes the electrons in matter oscillate and becomes absorbed. These oscillating electrons produce a new electromagnetic wave that is emitted.

The interesting bit about polarizer is that it only allows electrons to shift in one direction. Kind of like beads on a wire. So electric field oscillating one way will become absorbed and re-emitted, and field oscillating in a perpendicular direction will not be allowed to pass through. Because it is the electric field that excites the electrons, the direction of magnetic field doesn't really affect anything, and the magnetic field in the newly emitted wave is perpendicular to the direction of the electric field.

So polarizer does effectively polarize both, but it affects the electric field directly.

Note that this is classical picture. If you want to consider QM of polarizers, things become far more interesting.
 
K^2 said:
You can think of EM wave as being absorbed and re-emitted at every point in space. Forget about vacuum for a moment, and think about EM wave traveling through some linear medium. Oscillating electric field causes the electrons in matter oscillate and becomes absorbed. These oscillating electrons produce a new electromagnetic wave that is emitted.

The interesting bit about polarizer is that it only allows electrons to shift in one direction. Kind of like beads on a wire. So electric field oscillating one way will become absorbed and re-emitted, and field oscillating in a perpendicular direction will not be allowed to pass through. Because it is the electric field that excites the electrons, the direction of magnetic field doesn't really affect anything, and the magnetic field in the newly emitted wave is perpendicular to the direction of the electric field.

So polarizer does effectively polarize both, but it affects the electric field directly.

Note that this is classical picture. If you want to consider QM of polarizers, things become far more interesting.
Thank you very much. That's very informative. If you don't mind, feel free to give me (or us should I say, considering other people interested) links/name of books on the quantum approach of polarizers. Or even a brief comment, anything will do, I'm interested.
 

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