Positron Emission: Exploring the Science Behind It

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around positron emission, specifically addressing the mass differences between nucleons and the implications for conservation laws in nuclear physics. Participants explore concepts related to nuclear binding energy and the mass of isotopes, while expressing confusion and seeking clarification on these topics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a proton can turn into a neutron by emitting a particle with mass, suggesting a potential violation of conservation of energy.
  • Another participant confirms that Boron-11 is heavier than Carbon-11, prompting further inquiry into the mass of nucleons.
  • Confusion arises regarding the number of neutrons and protons in Boron and Carbon, with a participant expressing a lack of knowledge in nuclear physics.
  • Participants discuss the non-linear addition of nucleon masses and the concept of nuclear binding energy, which is suggested as a missing piece in understanding the mass differences.
  • One participant provides links to resources for further exploration of nuclear masses and binding energy.
  • Clarification is offered that the total mass of a nucleus is less than the sum of its individual nucleons due to binding energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express confusion and seek clarification on various aspects of nuclear physics, particularly regarding mass differences and binding energy. There is no consensus on the initial question about conservation laws, as different viewpoints and levels of understanding are present.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of nuclear physics, and there are unresolved questions about the implications of mass differences and binding energy in the context of positron emission.

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I've been wondering about positron emission. If a neutron has more mass than a proton, how can a proton turn into a neutron by releasing a particle with mass?
[PLAIN]http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/654/positronemission.gif
(source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_emission)
Doesn't this violate the law of conservation of energy? Isn't Boron-11 heavier than Carbon-11?
 
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cylinder said:
Isn't Boron-11 heavier than Carbon-11?

Look them up. :smile:

http://www.nist.gov/physlab/data/comp.cfm

For C you need to use the "All isotopes" option.
 
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But... Doesn't Boron have 6 neutrons and 5 protons, where Carbon has 5 neutrons and 6 protons? What am I missing here? Apologies, but my knowledge of nuclear physics is elementary, at best.
 
Cylinder, jtbell gave you some excellent advice. Look them up.
 
Yes, I looked them up before I posted that. I'm sorry, I was just stating that I am confused about something else now: it looks like the masses of the nucleons don't add linearly. I understand if my new question is a bit off topic. Should I start a new thread?
 
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cylinder said:
Yes, I looked them up before I posted that. I'm sorry, I was just stating that I am confused about something else now: it looks like the masses of the nucleons don't add linearly.

The concept of nuclear binding energy is the piece you seem to be missing:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nucene/nucbin.html

has a pretty good overview for this and the basics of nuclear mass and how it relates to nucleons.

Essentially, this binding energy (mass) difference is the source of the energy for both fusion and fission.
 
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The total mass of a nucleus is LESS than the total mass of the individual particles that make up the nucleus if they were not bound, because of nuclear binding energy.
 

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