Possible to modify a magnet to be more beamlike

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of modifying a magnet to exhibit more beam-like characteristics, focusing on how to encase a magnet to enhance its magnetic pull directly in front of it while minimizing the effect on objects not aligned with it. The scope includes theoretical considerations and practical applications of magnetic shielding and design.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests encasing a magnet to achieve a more focused magnetic pull, specifically wanting to limit the field's effect to objects directly in front.
  • Another participant notes that magnetic field loops require a path from the south to the north pole, implying limitations on achieving the desired beam-like effect.
  • A different participant expresses interest in having large loops at the poles while keeping the field close to the magnet's sides.
  • It is proposed that mu-metal could help in shielding the magnetic field, although complete shielding is deemed impossible. Alternatives like ferromagnetic materials are also suggested.
  • One participant plans to use a rod magnet wrapped in ferromagnetic material with a mu-metal shield, hoping this combination will limit the magnetic field's spread.
  • A participant emphasizes that the pull on an object by a magnetic field depends on the field's gradient rather than its strength, suggesting that a uniform field would not effectively pull objects.
  • Another participant mentions that efficient magnetic pull typically requires a pancake-shaped coil, which may not provide the desired range.
  • A link is provided to a company that offers specially polarized magnets that may align with the original poster's needs, though it is uncertain if they fully meet the requirements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the feasibility of achieving a beam-like magnetic effect, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the effectiveness of proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in achieving a fully beam-like magnetic field due to the nature of magnetic field loops and the challenges of shielding. There are also unresolved considerations regarding the specific configurations and materials that may be effective.

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Possible to modify a magnet to be more "beamlike"

I've been wondering if it is possible to encase a magnet in something readily available that would give it more beam-like characteristics vs. field. Basically, I want to have the magnet encased so that I would get full magnetic pull on an object directly in front of the magnet but little or none when the object is not directly in front of the magnet.
 
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Not that I know of. Magnetic field loops need to have a path from the south to the north pole, although if the field loops were mind-numbingly huge it might seem to act like you want...
 
That's actually what' I'm looking for. The loop to be large on either pole but keep very close to the magnet itself on the sides.
 
Mu metal will help but there is no way to totally shield a magnetic field. Magnetics Inc. sells it but it it expensive. Try making a shield out of a ferromagnetic metal and it will likely work about as well. A preformed iron or steel box with open ends will work pretty good.
 
Actually, I've been looking around and I think that for my application I'll use a rod magnet wrapped in ferromagnetic material with a mu-metal shield around that. Hopefully that will allow the field loops to pass through the ferro material while limiting the spread of the field. As soon as I get the money up to buy all the materials I need, I'll reply to this thread and let everyone know how it's working.
 
Remember that the pull on an object (a magnetic dipole) by a magnetic field has nothing to do with the strength of the field as such, but with its gradient. Thus, a uniform field confined to a cylinder wouldn't actually pull anything.
 
Unfortunately, really efficient "pull" requires a pancake shape coil and that will have little throw.
 


http://www.correlatedmagnetics.com/

These people have specially polarized magnets that attract strongly when properly aligned but repel when slightly twisted or moved off-axis. Not sure if this is exactly what you're looking for in a magnet but it's the closest commercially available product I know of that seems to match your description. Cheers.
 


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