Potential barrier problem in mechanics

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The discussion revolves around the application of energy conservation principles in mechanics, specifically regarding the minimum velocity needed for a ball to traverse points along a path. It highlights that while the ball must pass through point D, which is an unstable equilibrium, the initial velocity at point E is crucial for reaching points A, B, and C. The participants debate whether the problem requires a calculated maximum initial velocity or if it simply seeks the minimum value at various points. Clarifications are requested regarding the concept of a maximum limit in this context. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding energy conservation across different points in the system.
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Question:find minimum velocity so that the ball reaches A,B, and C .in the given figure
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Energy conversion equation
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Here our sir said if I would apply energy conservation b/w initial point and B , we would get it wrong. But If I apply between initial point and D , we would get it right. He didn't tell why. Could anyone just explain why. One reason I thought was that since the question asked for minimum velocity and since D is a point of unstable equilibrium just giving enough velocity to get it past D is sufficient
 
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According to the diagram the initial point is at E. To get to B the ball must traverse D. The fact that B is lower than D does not matter according to classical mechanics. Mechanical energy must be conserved at every point along the path.
Quantum mechanics gives a slightly more nuanced answer.
 
Rhdjfgjgj said:
... One reason I thought was that since the question asked for minimum velocity and since D is a point of unstable equilibrium just giving enough velocity to get it past D is sufficient
I believe that your reasoning is correct.
Initial velocity at E should be the maximum minimum value that the ball will need to have to hit points A, B and C.

Edit: See post 4.
 
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Lnewqban said:
Initial velocity at E should be the maximum value that the ball will need to have to hit point A
I do not undertstand what this means. Why is there a maximum limit??
 
@Lnewqban and @Rhdjfgjgj I think the problem seeks a calculated value for ##v_0## not the ensuing values at various points on the course. Am I misreading it?
 
hutchphd said:
I do not undertstand what this means. Why is there a maximum limit??
Correction appreciated.
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