Solving Delta Potential Barrier Problem with Schrodinger Equation

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The discussion revolves around the delta potential barrier problem in quantum mechanics, specifically using the Schrödinger equation. Participants are analyzing the behavior of the wavefunction and its derivatives at the boundary defined by the delta potential.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are exploring the form of the wavefunction and its derivatives, questioning the validity of different representations of the wavefunction at the boundary. There is a focus on the limits involving the second derivative of the wavefunction and the implications of these limits.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the original poster's reasoning and seeking clarification on the calculations involving limits. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to show additional steps in the calculations.

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There is a noted concern about the definition of the wavefunction at the boundary and the implications of using different forms. Participants are also addressing the potential confusion arising from the limits approaching zero and the behavior of the wavefunction derivatives.

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Homework Statement


In delta potential barrier problem Schrödinger equation we get

[tex]\psi(x)=Ae^{kx}, x<0[/tex]

[tex]\psi(x)=Ae^{-kx}, x>0[/tex]

We must get solution of

[tex]lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{\epsilon}_{-\epsilon}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx[/tex]

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[tex]lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{\epsilon}_{-\epsilon}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx=lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \frac{d\psi}{dx}|^{\epsilon}_{-\epsilon}[/tex] and get the solution

I can say that the whole function is

[tex]\psi(x)=Ae^{-k|x|}[/tex]

I don't have first derivative in 0.

[tex]lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{\epsilon}_{-\epsilon}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx=lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{0}_{-\epsilon}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx+lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{\epsilon}_{0}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx=0[/tex]Why I don't get same solution different then zero like in case

[tex]lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{\epsilon}_{-\epsilon}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx=lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \frac{d\psi}{dx}|^{\epsilon}_{-\epsilon}[/tex]

?

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First, I'd like to point out how disappointed I was when I clicked on this thread and found that it wasn't a Chuck Norris movie:biggrin:

Petar Mali said:
I can say that the whole function is

[tex]\psi(x)=Ae^{-k|x|}[/tex]

I don't have first derivative in 0.
No you cant. The wavefunction [tex]\psi(x)=\left\{\begin{array}{lr}Ae^{kx}, & x<0 \\ Ae^{-kx}, & x>0\end{array}\right.[/itex] is undefined at [itex]x=0[/itex] (as it should be for a delta function potential). The wavefunction [itex]\psi(x)=Ae^{-k|x|}[/itex] <b>is</b> defined at [itex]x=0[/itex]; the two wavefunctions are not equivalent.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> [tex]lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{\epsilon}_{-\epsilon}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx=lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{0}_{-\epsilon}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx+lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{\epsilon}_{0}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx=0[/tex]Why I don't get same solution different then zero like in case </div> </div> </blockquote><br /> I don't see how you are getting zero for that limit. Show the rest of your steps.[/tex]
 
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[tex] lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{\epsilon}_{-\epsilon}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx=lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{0}_{-\epsilon}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx+lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{\epsilon}_{0}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx=0[/tex]

[tex]lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{0}_{-\epsilon}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx+lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{\epsilon}_{0}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx=lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0}\frac{d\psi}{dx}|^{0}_{-\epsilon}+lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0}\frac{d\psi}{dx}|^{\epsilon}_{0}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d\psi}{dx}=kAe^{kx}[/tex] for [tex]x<0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d\psi}{dx}=-kAe^{-kx}[/tex] for [tex]x>0[/tex]

[tex]lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{0}_{-\epsilon}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx+lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0} \int^{\epsilon}_{0}\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}dx=<br /> kA-lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0}kAe^{k\epsilon}-lim_{\epsilon \rightarrow 0}kAe^{-k\epsilon}+kA=2kA-2kA=0[/tex]
 
Double check your exponentials (hint hint) and maybe expand them out ignoring terms higher than [itex]\epsilon^1[/itex]
 

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