Potential difference of spherical rain drops

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the potential difference of spherical rain drops, specifically focusing on the implications of two equal spherical rain drops coalescing into a single drop and the resulting potential. The subject area includes concepts of electric potential and possibly gravitational potential.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the concepts of capacitance and charge related to the rain drops, questioning how to calculate potential without specific values. There is also a discussion on whether the potential in question refers to electric or gravitational potential, with considerations of the rain drops' conductive properties and charge accumulation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing hints about calculating capacitance and charge, while others express confusion about the lack of numerical values. Multiple interpretations of the potential being discussed are being explored, particularly between electric and gravitational potential.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of specific values for variables in the problem, which complicates calculations. There is also a mention of the assumptions regarding the rain drops being isolated and conducting, as well as considerations of the physical properties of rain.

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I absolutely have no idea how to answer this question. If someone could please explain to me what concept this question is trying to test and how to go about answering this question it would be immensely appreciated :)

THE QUESTION:

Two equal spherical rain-drops are both at a potential V. If they
coalesce into a single spherical drops, what will be its potential ?
 
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Hint: calculate the capacitance of the drops and the charge on each, given V. Then put them together and go backwards from charge to find V'.
 
marcusl said:
Hint: calculate the capacitance of the drops and the charge on each, given V. Then put them together and go backwards from charge to find V'.

but how do i calculate anything when i wasnt given any values of variables in the question?
 
I think this question is quite tricky. It's hard to say it's gravitational potential or electric potential. We need a bit of analysis:

Rain is usually not pure water, i.e. it's electrically conducting. From the time the rain drop is formed to the time it falls through a long distance, it accumulates an amount of charges due to "rubbing" with the surrounding. So, we can view the rain drop as a conducting charged sphere. Assume that V is electric potential and the rain drop can be treated as isolated (so that V is due to ONLY the rain drop itself, no external effect by other rain drops). Let Q and R denote the charge and the radius of the rain drop. You can calculate V in term of Q and R, can't you? :wink:

Then when 2 identical rain drops coalesce, it forms a bigger rain drop of charge 2Q. The radius of the new rain drop can be calculated (the total volume is conserved). Again, the electric potential of this new rain drop V' can be calculated in term of Q and R, as it's an isolated conducting spherical rain drop. Finally find the ratio of V' and V, and thus, express V' in term of V.

So what if V is gravitational potential? My best guess is, it's quite pointless or way too easy if so. For 2 identical rain drops to coalesce, they must be at the same height. The newly formed rain drop should be at that height as well, and thus, its potential is 2V (as mass is doubled). Too obvious! I have just only considered the gravitational potential due to the gravitational field of the Earth. But taking into account the gravitational potential due to gravitational field of the rain drop itself is again quite pointless, and more importantly, impossible to lead to a uniform potential at every point in the rain drop.
 

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